Critique My Lap of Sebring
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Mike, regardless of which system you use, with the proper focus, it is easy to take a quick after each session to look for low hanging fruit and/or gauge how you performed in a specific area where you had an objective. The key is picking few (and the right) parameters. I can show you how to do this ![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
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I think that’s a GREAT graph, right there!
THIS is where people can improve the most, IME. They get so fixated on the vMin that they don’t realize that they’re at or around it for WAY too long.
Drivers usually feel the urgency around the same time to go to WOT, and can if they don’t take too shallow an entry trajectory. Think unwind instead of stay wound or having to wind in more steering.
Then, the obvious area to improve upon is the entry, moving the vMin closer and closer to the point where you can go back to power, instead of the dreaded, extended periods of “maintenance” throttle through long corners like T1 and T17.
Good analysis that anyone can do just reviewing video with speed on it. Count off at 2 mph above vMin from entry to progression to WOT begins. I see some with SIX seconds at or near vMin at T17, and still turning sub 2:12 laps.
THIS is where people can improve the most, IME. They get so fixated on the vMin that they don’t realize that they’re at or around it for WAY too long.
Drivers usually feel the urgency around the same time to go to WOT, and can if they don’t take too shallow an entry trajectory. Think unwind instead of stay wound or having to wind in more steering.
Then, the obvious area to improve upon is the entry, moving the vMin closer and closer to the point where you can go back to power, instead of the dreaded, extended periods of “maintenance” throttle through long corners like T1 and T17.
Good analysis that anyone can do just reviewing video with speed on it. Count off at 2 mph above vMin from entry to progression to WOT begins. I see some with SIX seconds at or near vMin at T17, and still turning sub 2:12 laps.
Peter,
Working to get away from "maintenance" throttle (or shortening it as much as I could) is what I was working to improve in T1 and T17 during this event. It really struck me when I was at VIR how much being in positive throttle affected the steering of the car over bumps or curbs and that was when it clicked for me that holding the car back was actually making the bumps WORSE than if I got back to WOT and held on. Another place where this was apparent was clipping the inside curb coming through T3, if I wasn't thrust positive it would really upset the car - but if I was, I could feel it but the car remained stable.
My goal in T1 and T17 was to arc the car in while dragging the brakes but then once having the right sight picture getting back to WOT as soon as possible. In my review of the session data over lunch today, it is apparent that I reduced my time between EoB and getting back to WOT, now I just need to work on pulling my vMin up a few MPH at a time until I get to a speed that correlates to a higher gSum. In the braking zone for T17 I initially get to a gSum of ~1.3g but as I quickly bleed off my brake pressure my gSum drops away more than necessary and my vMin of 63 MPH corresponds to a gSum of about 1g instead of my target of 1.3g.
What this tells me is that I'm on the brakes too early, bleed off too much pressure too soon (trying not to overslow too much before the second turn-in point), and over slow for the corner. My goal based on this is to move my BoB deeper into the corner (a little at a time!) and to raise my vMin just before crossing perpendicularly under the bridge while getting back to the throttle with more discipline to staying at WOT!
Next time...
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Bingo, Mike! And people spend thousands with pro coaches to find this out.
j/k, there’s a lot more than that to it, but you have the crux…
I’ll say only that the next goal for you is to carry more speed DEEPER into the brake zone, so that you have more energy in the car when you finally needs to turn.
j/k, there’s a lot more than that to it, but you have the crux…
I’ll say only that the next goal for you is to carry more speed DEEPER into the brake zone, so that you have more energy in the car when you finally needs to turn.
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Bingo, Mike! And people spend thousands with pro coaches to find this out.
j/k, there’s a lot more than that to it, but you have the crux…
I’ll say only that the next goal for you is to carry more speed DEEPER into the brake zone, so that you have more energy in the car when you finally needs to turn.
j/k, there’s a lot more than that to it, but you have the crux…
I’ll say only that the next goal for you is to carry more speed DEEPER into the brake zone, so that you have more energy in the car when you finally needs to turn.
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To practice, brake in the normal place, just not so hard. Strive to roll more speed deeper (further) into the brake zone by either beginning your brake release sooner and slower, or just don't maintain pressure so hard. Audit the gSum to make sure it's never below 1.1 or 1.15.
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now I just need to work on pulling my vMin up a few MPH at a time until I get to a speed that correlates to a higher gSum.
In the braking zone for T17 I initially get to a gSum of ~1.3g but as I quickly bleed off my brake pressure my gSum drops away more than necessary and my vMin of 63 MPH corresponds to a gSum of about 1g instead of my target of 1.3g.
What this tells me is that I'm on the brakes too early, bleed off too much pressure too soon (trying not to overslow too much before the second turn-in point), and over slow for the corner.
My goal based on this is to move my BoB deeper into the corner (a little at a time!) and to raise my vMin just before crossing perpendicularly under the bridge while getting back to the throttle with more discipline to staying at WOT!
Next time...![Big Grin](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
In the braking zone for T17 I initially get to a gSum of ~1.3g but as I quickly bleed off my brake pressure my gSum drops away more than necessary and my vMin of 63 MPH corresponds to a gSum of about 1g instead of my target of 1.3g.
What this tells me is that I'm on the brakes too early, bleed off too much pressure too soon (trying not to overslow too much before the second turn-in point), and over slow for the corner.
My goal based on this is to move my BoB deeper into the corner (a little at a time!) and to raise my vMin just before crossing perpendicularly under the bridge while getting back to the throttle with more discipline to staying at WOT!
Next time...
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Here is a great heat map of the distribution of forces acting on the car in all axis (gSum). This guy was the first I worked with more than a decade ago who turned, THEN braked and maintained high gSum throughout. Now, he's in a forty-five year old LeMans 2-liter car doing 2:05's (he is a New Yorker with period LeMans experience), but he's DOING it.
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gSum heat map, Sebring T17
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Color legend for heat map
Good luck, hope they find that truck or you get a new one fast!