FredC

Agreed. But it’s worth a try given the small D, F, and G fields... and E too nowadays.

By the way... 13 in E at Summit as of today. Vintage people in E, you know who you are :-), can we make this 16?

FredC

An interesting situation developed with the run groups for the Summit Club race. E Class will race by itself in sprint 2. Calling all E Class racers to join!

LuigiVampa

Years from now, when archaeologists sift through the ashes of Rennlist, they will come to the conclusion that the only two classes of cars in PCA were E and SPB.

You guys are all a chatty bunch!

FredC

That is what Rennlist is for

TRAKCAR

Problem with PCA racing and most all amateur racing in the US is that there isn’t an FIA type dictatorship running the show.

Everyone with an opinion gets classes modified or added to benefit regional shops, sponsorship, etc.
Less is more, make classes, deal with it.

Without it Hoosier wouldn’t sell a single tire until they fix the quality, but it all shouldn’t matter, everyone runs the same decided by an organization.
East coast cars different from west coast cars and all the BS.
And for 1 brand racing it should be so simple...

This democratic influence has no place in racing.

stujelly

Amen to that!

Jas0nn

Plenty of talk over the past year plus, but there is now some real consideration of this proposed 911 Cup for all aircooled D, E and F 911s. From the PCA Club Racing newsletter:

"911 Cup - We are considering adding aircooled cars that are currently eligible for F Stock at their current F Stock weight and air-cooled cars that are currently eligible for D Stock to drop 150 pounds and run carburetors. With the air-cooled E cars allowed to drop 150 pounds, this should make things pretty equal. Likewise, it has been reported that the lower compression 3-liter motors respond well to the carbs and make power similar to the 3-liter E car motor. Expect 911 Cup to have an open tire rule (R compound) in 2020.

Now is the time for everyone to open their mouths and make their stance known ...

Gary R.

cienegavista

A well built spec911 3.0 liter with webers or PMO's 46's and 9.8:1 euro P/C and CIS cams will make 225 to 235 at the rear wheels on a dyno jet in nor cal. 255 to 265 at the crank. I'd be interested to see a 8:5.1 3.0 liter make 230 hp at the rear wheels with stock heads, CIS cams and , 1.5 inch headers.
mc

GT3DE

D cars are E cars with slower engines. Just fix the engine!
Too much trouble/$? No worries, not enough D cars left anyway.
This is all about fixing the tire debacle.
2020 911Cup will be back on R7 so all is right in the world again. And E cars get to drop the stupid extra weight. Take out 150!
Finally one place with proper tire and proper weight for the E cars!
The gang will be back together again.
See you at Sebring.
All is right in the universe.

cienegavista

your E class cars are fine, I would agree, just take out weight and make them lighter, all good then and no monies spent on intakes
mc

Jas0nn

This isn't a done deal by any measure; they need to hear our support for this. Email them, please!

M_Weining

Why?
Seems like 911 Cup proposed (and past) has (have) just spread a limited number of cars across yet another PCA class? This has resulted in fewer cars in each class and from what I can tell most racers prefer more cars in a class, not fewer.

Based on comments above it seems like the D Class 911 SCs really won't be competitive with just switch to Carbs which costs $ leaving less for attending races.

How many F class 911s are there and would they really be happy battling the E Class 911 that get to drop 150# while they don't? Many of the E class track records are already faster then the fastest F class 911 lap times.

One of the key reasons seems to be so folks can remove weight (more fun, less stress on tubs (?), slightly lower tire / brake system wear). Why not just reduce the weight for all the E Cars? A number of years ago PCA allowed removal of interior and passenger seats (quite a bit of weight). However, they did not adjust the weights down so many had to add ballast. Also the 944s and Boxsters in E have all been asking to reduce weight too, so they likely have ballast that could easily be removed.

Why do something that will rapidly accelerate the decline of the largest, best (IMHO) and most successful (by far) Stock Class in PCA?

Just eliminate the "experimental" 2019 911 Cup series and class and apply the learnings to E Class and to other classes in PCA!

GT3DE

Yeah, tried that idea but pca doesn't want lower letters to be faster than higher letters. Right now in their letter system as you go from bottom to top the cars get faster (this is the theory of one driver driving all cars so its the car, not the people).

GT3DE

In order to make this work, pca must take away the 911 letter class option. Pca must mandate that the 911 E cars must move to 911Cup, otherwise it will just be another thin class among many.

For this to work we need ONE option only. NOT OPTIONS!!!!!