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Old 06-19-2019 | 10:56 PM
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Old 06-19-2019 | 11:59 PM
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I just got a text from the Ferrari forum that they are looking for extremely fast guys.

I wonder what the insurance premiums are for poorly driven Ferrari Challenge racers?
Old 06-20-2019 | 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Yellow996
I just got a text from the Ferrari forum that they are looking for extremely fast guys.

I wonder what the insurance premiums are for poorly driven Ferrari Challenge racers?
Old 06-20-2019 | 11:27 AM
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I wonder what Fauxkingfast has been up too. This stuff sounds right up his alley as insurance would truly unlock driving with The Force.

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Old 06-20-2019 | 05:44 PM
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Not Kiborted . wow. Leave my Ferrari guys out of this.
Old 06-20-2019 | 06:10 PM
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So lap timers and insurance don't seem to contribute much, if at all, to bad behavior for the vast majority of drivers. Then what DOES influence many drivers to behave more badly? Some possibilities:

- Organizational culture which doesn't sufficiently emphasize discipline, courtesy, and safety

- Lack of clear rules and enforcement of rules (with sanctions for violations)

- Placement of drivers in improper run groups

- Poor vetting of instructors and instructor candidates, poor instructor training program, and poor instruction which doesn't emphasize development of fundamental skills and progressive and disciplined refinement of skills (as opposed to a culture where drivers impatiently try to just 'go fast', sometimes buying expensive and fast cars to help them do that)

In other words, if you're doing track days with a lot of yahoos (resulting from inexperience and/or attitude issues), you're likely to see more bad behavior.
Old 06-20-2019 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
So lap timers and insurance don't seem to contribute much, if at all, to bad behavior for the vast majority of drivers. Then what DOES influence many drivers to behave more badly? Some possibilities:

- Organizational culture which doesn't sufficiently emphasize discipline, courtesy, and safety

- Lack of clear rules and enforcement of rules (with sanctions for violations)

- Placement of drivers in improper run groups

- Poor vetting of instructors and instructor candidates, poor instructor training program, and poor instruction which doesn't emphasize development of fundamental skills and progressive and disciplined refinement of skills (as opposed to a culture where drivers impatiently try to just 'go fast', sometimes buying expensive and fast cars to help them do that)

In other words, if you're doing track days with a lot of yahoos (resulting from inexperience and/or attitude issues), you're likely to see more bad behavior.
Bingo!
Old 06-20-2019 | 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
So lap timers and insurance don't seem to contribute much, if at all, to bad behavior for the vast majority of drivers. Then what DOES influence many drivers to behave more badly? Some possibilities:

- Organizational culture which doesn't sufficiently emphasize discipline, courtesy, and safety

- Lack of clear rules and enforcement of rules (with sanctions for violations)

- Placement of drivers in improper run groups

- Poor vetting of instructors and instructor candidates, poor instructor training program, and poor instruction which doesn't emphasize development of fundamental skills and progressive and disciplined refinement of skills (as opposed to a culture where drivers impatiently try to just 'go fast', sometimes buying expensive and fast cars to help them do that)

In other words, if you're doing track days with a lot of yahoos (resulting from inexperience and/or attitude issues), you're likely to see more bad behavior.
Stop trying to debate using logic!

All hail the huge gummi worm!
Old 06-20-2019 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by LuigiVampa
Stop trying to debate using logic!

All hail the huge gummi worm!

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Old 06-20-2019 | 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt Romanowski
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https://youtu.be/UPatfgoNBRo
LOL.. I feel fine, think i'll take a walk! "You're not fooling anyone".. perfect for this total disaster of a twisted RL thread..
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Originally Posted by DTMiller

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Imagine if it was combined with this..
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I fear the ones that do things unconsciously . They are not aware of their actions on track.. Aggresive tendencies that they are not aware of.
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Originally Posted by Gofishracing
I fear the ones that do things unconsciously . They are not aware of their actions on track.. Aggresive tendencies that they are not aware of.
Are you talking about gummi worms or drivers?
Old 06-21-2019 | 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by LuigiVampa
Are you talking about gummi worms or drivers?
The Freshen Up chica....
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