What DE's allow keeping the windows closed safely?
05-20-2018, 09:51 PM
#377
Registered User
At a recent scca event in Milwaukee, one of the officials was advising Windows have to be down for 2 reasons:
1) safety, in case you need to be pulled out
2) to prevent glass all over the track in case of an accident, as the side windows are designed to shatter
You don't hear many folks mention the glass issue, never thought about that...
1) safety, in case you need to be pulled out
2) to prevent glass all over the track in case of an accident, as the side windows are designed to shatter
You don't hear many folks mention the glass issue, never thought about that...
05-20-2018, 10:07 PM
#378
Drifting
ACNA (Audi Club North America) uses Euro-style signaling, i.e. the car being passed indicates where they are putting the car. Works very well but we certainly had naysayers last season when it was introduced. A year later everyone seems to like the protocol and are used to it. Those without signals use old time hand signals.
05-21-2018, 12:08 AM
#379
Rennlist Member
This makes ZERO sense. The car being passed stays on line, the passing car goes off line. How would this work with the car being passed staying on line, in other words, the car being passed is staying put, what signal tells the passing car I am staying on line, you go around?
All over the world drivers use blinkers to signal their chosen/intended side on roads and tracks alike. There is no reason whatsoever to do the opposite on american tracks.
05-25-2018, 12:11 PM
#380
Rennlist Member
I like the windows up and blinkers on.
It helps me focus on my music selection and run the AC.
Plus, I am afriad to take my hand off the wheel so this really works for me.
It helps me focus on my music selection and run the AC.
Plus, I am afriad to take my hand off the wheel so this really works for me.
05-26-2018, 10:00 AM
#381
Rennlist Member
05-26-2018, 11:11 AM
#382
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Thread Starter
At a recent scca event in Milwaukee, one of the officials was advising Windows have to be down for 2 reasons:
1) safety, in case you need to be pulled out
2) to prevent glass all over the track in case of an accident, as the side windows are designed to shatter
You don't hear many folks mention the glass issue, never thought about that...
1) safety, in case you need to be pulled out
2) to prevent glass all over the track in case of an accident, as the side windows are designed to shatter
You don't hear many folks mention the glass issue, never thought about that...
Could be possible, just unlikely. It’s like the analogy of driving without seat belt in case you land upside down in a canal.
2. If you manage to break the side glass, there will be a ton of parts and fluids to be picked up and cleaned up anyway.
05-26-2018, 11:15 AM
#383
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
At a recent scca event in Milwaukee, one of the officials was advising Windows have to be down for 2 reasons:
1) safety, in case you need to be pulled out
2) to prevent glass all over the track in case of an accident, as the side windows are designed to shatter
You don't hear many folks mention the glass issue, never thought about that...
1) safety, in case you need to be pulled out
2) to prevent glass all over the track in case of an accident, as the side windows are designed to shatter
You don't hear many folks mention the glass issue, never thought about that...
Could be possible, just unlikely. It’s like the analogy of driving without seat belt in case you land upside down in a canal.
2. If you manage to break the side glass, there will be a ton of parts and fluids to be picked up and cleaned up anyway.
We should have the choice, personally I prefer how the rest of the world does it, windows up and what’s recommended by manufacturers of the street cars when used on track. I don’t care how we have to use them US style or ROW style. It’s not rocket science pick one and be clear in the drivers meeting.
If I’d own or operated a road course I would never accept the liability to go against a manufacturers recommendation.
05-26-2018, 02:16 PM
#384
Race Director
05-26-2018, 02:21 PM
#385
Race Director
At a recent scca event in Milwaukee, one of the officials was advising Windows have to be down for 2 reasons:
1) safety, in case you need to be pulled out
2) to prevent glass all over the track in case of an accident, as the side windows are designed to shatter
You don't hear many folks mention the glass issue, never thought about that...
1) safety, in case you need to be pulled out
2) to prevent glass all over the track in case of an accident, as the side windows are designed to shatter
You don't hear many folks mention the glass issue, never thought about that...
05-26-2018, 02:22 PM
#386
Race Director
05-27-2018, 12:16 AM
#387
RL Community Team
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At the PSDS the windows are always up, it's actually mandatory . They say, and I agree, that the relative comfort and controlled noise helps the driver to concentrate.
I don't understand why we have to suffer with heat, endangering ourselves with exhaustion and dehydration for some dumb old rule
Windows up, ac on, messages on the radio (FM) and blinkers. Added advantages, you can hear the instructor (or be heard) don't get hit by pearls or get soaked when it rains. When I have to drive behind track cars (103db, right) it's such a racket, even more when there's the friendly concrete wall to reverberate.
Is there anything that can actually be done to update such archaic rule?
Btw , don't pull out a person unless there's a fire risk, throwing this argument down the drain. Let the professionals handle that, they will break a window if needed be. If that was saving lives, Ralph Nader would be complaining about all car windows staying up.
I don't understand why we have to suffer with heat, endangering ourselves with exhaustion and dehydration for some dumb old rule
Windows up, ac on, messages on the radio (FM) and blinkers. Added advantages, you can hear the instructor (or be heard) don't get hit by pearls or get soaked when it rains. When I have to drive behind track cars (103db, right) it's such a racket, even more when there's the friendly concrete wall to reverberate.
Is there anything that can actually be done to update such archaic rule?
Btw , don't pull out a person unless there's a fire risk, throwing this argument down the drain. Let the professionals handle that, they will break a window if needed be. If that was saving lives, Ralph Nader would be complaining about all car windows staying up.
05-27-2018, 11:14 AM
#389
Rennlist Member
For many that have grown up 'racing" the sounds and smells of the track are part of the sport. Too many of us these are key parts of the experience and part of the thrill.
I think the difference is driving around the track vs racing around the track.
Comfort has never been a word I have used in or around a track. But, modern cars for modern times maybe comfort is key to faster and safer lap times.
Heck, I may enjoy windows up, a nice comfortable AC filled quite cabin.
I think the difference is driving around the track vs racing around the track.
Comfort has never been a word I have used in or around a track. But, modern cars for modern times maybe comfort is key to faster and safer lap times.
Heck, I may enjoy windows up, a nice comfortable AC filled quite cabin.
05-28-2018, 09:26 AM
#390
RL Community Team
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This weekend on RADE the air temperature reached near 40 degrees celsius, with the track probably another 10-15. 30-40 mins of that, 4x in a day, is risking lack of concentration and dehydration.
Professionals or amateur racers invariably have a cool shirt system and/or fluid replenishing.
Talking to people about this rule this weekend, seems it comes from not wanting to clean glass on the track.
Professionals or amateur racers invariably have a cool shirt system and/or fluid replenishing.
Talking to people about this rule this weekend, seems it comes from not wanting to clean glass on the track.