Chris Harris review of P1
02-12-2014, 12:12 AM
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Chris Harris review of P1
Blows him away .. there seems to be growing consensus that the P1 is out of the park hit, even relative to the 918.
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/defa...?storyId=29402
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/defa...?storyId=29402
02-12-2014, 01:17 AM
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For that price it has to be better than the 918.
By most metrics the P1 is faster than the 918, but is it 50% better as reflected in the asking price? For what McLaren is asking for a P1, you can have a 918 AND a CGT.
And while the 918 is a completely bespoke car, the P1 is a evolution of the 12C platform. Chris Harris had actually posted on twitter that after driving the P1, he is looking for a used 12C.
By most metrics the P1 is faster than the 918, but is it 50% better as reflected in the asking price? For what McLaren is asking for a P1, you can have a 918 AND a CGT.
And while the 918 is a completely bespoke car, the P1 is a evolution of the 12C platform. Chris Harris had actually posted on twitter that after driving the P1, he is looking for a used 12C.
02-12-2014, 01:56 AM
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Top Gear will have a side by side comparo between the P1 and 918. They'll both be driven on their track by Stig to see which is fastest. That will happen in a few weeks during the show.
As a matter of fact,Jeremy announced that if the 918 is faster than the P1 he'll legally change his name to Jennifer.
I believe gents,that soon enough we shall be watching Top Gear UK with a new host,called Jennifer Clarkson.
As a matter of fact,Jeremy announced that if the 918 is faster than the P1 he'll legally change his name to Jennifer.
I believe gents,that soon enough we shall be watching Top Gear UK with a new host,called Jennifer Clarkson.
02-12-2014, 03:55 AM
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Working in the automotive industry and dealing with many journalists through the years, I don’t find anything surprising in their opinion that every new hypercar driven is better than the previous one. They are humans before everything, have same emotions as other people, etc.
Most of them even drive DD with max 150 hp! Also they have to respect the manufacturers if they want to be invited everywhere, anytime… No surprise here, too.
Regarding the P1 vs. 918. I think that McLaren played all the cards they had, marketing wise. Porsche on the other hand maybe have something in their sleeves, because this month is the start of production. As many stated, no one has driven 918 with full power, including Valencia event…
Except that, keep in mind that these two cars deliver their power totally different - P1 with exceptional drama and 918 with maximum efficiency. Which concept is faster, remains to be seen soon.
Most of them even drive DD with max 150 hp! Also they have to respect the manufacturers if they want to be invited everywhere, anytime… No surprise here, too.
Regarding the P1 vs. 918. I think that McLaren played all the cards they had, marketing wise. Porsche on the other hand maybe have something in their sleeves, because this month is the start of production. As many stated, no one has driven 918 with full power, including Valencia event…
Except that, keep in mind that these two cars deliver their power totally different - P1 with exceptional drama and 918 with maximum efficiency. Which concept is faster, remains to be seen soon.
02-14-2014, 11:54 PM
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Great read! the P1 seems to be more of a raw experience than the 918. However he states the acceleration is clearly better than the 918, but the 918 has over 900lb of torque! I'm lost, what gives? The 918 is seriously fast, but i feel i trust CH's statements, so it is what it is
02-14-2014, 11:59 PM
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I think this one is becoming pretty clear cut - the performance of the p1 is on another level. Shockingly visceral to the core yet friendly around town. That downforce and the weight savings are paying off. And the P1 brakes are clearly better if one is seeking to maximize driver feel and performance.
there is a big price difference between the two BUT if one were considering the weissach version you are basically right there .. and there are 1/3 the number of P1 than 918 too.
there is a big price difference between the two BUT if one were considering the weissach version you are basically right there .. and there are 1/3 the number of P1 than 918 too.
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02-17-2014, 02:31 AM
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I'm a Porsche diehard thru & thru, but really think the P1 will be quicker, especially around a track; lower weight, stronger brakes & greater downforce all add up.
Really looking forward to the Top Gear review....again think the P1 will be quicker.
However, If I were in the market, I'd follow my heart & get the 918.
Really looking forward to the Top Gear review....again think the P1 will be quicker.
However, If I were in the market, I'd follow my heart & get the 918.
02-18-2014, 11:10 AM
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Weight : an owner has weighed his car with fluids and a nearly full tank of gas , it's as 1560 kg . 918 is 1635
Downforce :
The high downforce mode of the p1 is illegal for road use ( only 2 inches off the ground ) so depending on the track it's unusable at times.
Power : p1 has 15/20 hp more but he 918 has 300 pounds feet more of torque .
Plus 4wd,4ws, etc etc
The figures are a lot closer than people seem to think .
As I said from the beginning , like race cars the cars speed will be dependant on the track and how it plays to the attributes of the car in question .
Considering the 918 is a do it all luxurious spyder , there really should be no contest .
But there is .
Plus I'd love to see these cars in 5 years , how they hold up to time , hard use .
Let see who spent more money on r and d .
Downforce :
The high downforce mode of the p1 is illegal for road use ( only 2 inches off the ground ) so depending on the track it's unusable at times.
Power : p1 has 15/20 hp more but he 918 has 300 pounds feet more of torque .
Plus 4wd,4ws, etc etc
The figures are a lot closer than people seem to think .
As I said from the beginning , like race cars the cars speed will be dependant on the track and how it plays to the attributes of the car in question .
Considering the 918 is a do it all luxurious spyder , there really should be no contest .
But there is .
Plus I'd love to see these cars in 5 years , how they hold up to time , hard use .
Let see who spent more money on r and d .
02-19-2014, 03:37 AM
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Weight : an owner has weighed his car with fluids and a nearly full tank of gas , it's as 1560 kg . 918 is 1635
Downforce :
The high downforce mode of the p1 is illegal for road use ( only 2 inches off the ground ) so depending on the track it's unusable at times.
Power : p1 has 15/20 hp more but he 918 has 300 pounds feet more of torque .
Plus 4wd,4ws, etc etc
The figures are a lot closer than people seem to think .
As I said from the beginning , like race cars the cars speed will be dependant on the track and how it plays to the attributes of the car in question .
Considering the 918 is a do it all luxurious spyder , there really should be no contest .
But there is .
Plus I'd love to see these cars in 5 years , how they hold up to time , hard use .
Let see who spent more money on r and d .
Downforce :
The high downforce mode of the p1 is illegal for road use ( only 2 inches off the ground ) so depending on the track it's unusable at times.
Power : p1 has 15/20 hp more but he 918 has 300 pounds feet more of torque .
Plus 4wd,4ws, etc etc
The figures are a lot closer than people seem to think .
As I said from the beginning , like race cars the cars speed will be dependant on the track and how it plays to the attributes of the car in question .
Considering the 918 is a do it all luxurious spyder , there really should be no contest .
But there is .
Plus I'd love to see these cars in 5 years , how they hold up to time , hard use .
Let see who spent more money on r and d .
If the weight difference is that close that is pretty curious for mclaren - I saw 1400 kerb weight as the default number used. 1560 would be substantially heavier than they are saying. they have one less e-motor and i think less battery by a good bit .. what do you make of the fact that seat of pants from CH it appears to be meaningfully slower?
It might just be splitting hairs at the levels we are discussing
02-19-2014, 06:52 AM
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I think you are right on the versatility and probably longevity although I am not so sure on that one.
If the weight difference is that close that is pretty curious for mclaren - I saw 1400 kerb weight as the default number used. 1560 would be substantially heavier than they are saying. they have one less e-motor and i think less battery by a good bit .. what do you make of the fact that seat of pants from CH it appears to be meaningfully slower?
It might just be splitting hairs at the levels we are discussing
If the weight difference is that close that is pretty curious for mclaren - I saw 1400 kerb weight as the default number used. 1560 would be substantially heavier than they are saying. they have one less e-motor and i think less battery by a good bit .. what do you make of the fact that seat of pants from CH it appears to be meaningfully slower?
It might just be splitting hairs at the levels we are discussing
02-19-2014, 08:12 AM
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The p1 weight (1400)was dry and the ac and stereo for 918 are not more than 15/20kg on a weissach pack car .
The 1560 wet was more than I expected however , I expected around 1500 . There will be around 50 k difference between the 2 cars .
The 918 is over 100 kg lighter than the Cgt with the electronics removed , that's including the pdk etc .
Porsche have put so many cooling measures into the 918 , they place very safe ( like the Cgt's "spare" radiator ).
Also the 918 battery packs are built to upgraded ( less weight , increased capacity , faster charging etc ) as technology improves . All this with a 7 year warranty .
The 1560 wet was more than I expected however , I expected around 1500 . There will be around 50 k difference between the 2 cars .
The 918 is over 100 kg lighter than the Cgt with the electronics removed , that's including the pdk etc .
Porsche have put so many cooling measures into the 918 , they place very safe ( like the Cgt's "spare" radiator ).
Also the 918 battery packs are built to upgraded ( less weight , increased capacity , faster charging etc ) as technology improves . All this with a 7 year warranty .