what is an appx 996 cup car annual budget?
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what is an appx 996 cup car annual budget?
Hi,
Could anybody who races 996 cup cars post here your average annual budget?
I am trying to justify for myself if I am able to pull the plug on one of those and even if I can swallow initial purchase price I am very concerned about ongoing expenses and naturally I have no idea of what they could even be.
I am really torn between real cup car or GT3. I got '06 997 C2 last year as I found one quite cheap and I was thinking to get it to play with 997 platform for a while just to get feel of it, then put more or less adequate suspension together like motons/ohlins/GT3 parts, get engine redone to racing specs, strip interior and just start taking it out for fun but it is really questionable strategy as I can see it now and it seems that even with considerably higher initial costs going after 996 cup car is in the long run cheaper and more productive way, isn`t it?
DEspite how I like to rework cars I own myself it is quite silly to try to compete with Porsche engeneering plus when I was just 'thinking' about all that I wasn`t even aware of classifications, etc.
Could anybody who races 996 cup cars post here your average annual budget?
I am trying to justify for myself if I am able to pull the plug on one of those and even if I can swallow initial purchase price I am very concerned about ongoing expenses and naturally I have no idea of what they could even be.
I am really torn between real cup car or GT3. I got '06 997 C2 last year as I found one quite cheap and I was thinking to get it to play with 997 platform for a while just to get feel of it, then put more or less adequate suspension together like motons/ohlins/GT3 parts, get engine redone to racing specs, strip interior and just start taking it out for fun but it is really questionable strategy as I can see it now and it seems that even with considerably higher initial costs going after 996 cup car is in the long run cheaper and more productive way, isn`t it?
DEspite how I like to rework cars I own myself it is quite silly to try to compete with Porsche engeneering plus when I was just 'thinking' about all that I wasn`t even aware of classifications, etc.
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I am trying to justify for myself if I am able to pull the plug on one of those and even if I can swallow initial purchase price I am very concerned about ongoing expenses and naturally I have no idea of what they could even be. I am really torn between real cup car or GT3.
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I'll make is simple.
$2000 per hour on track shoud cover transport, support, consumables, etc.
Don't kid yourself into trying to do it for less. You might defer some costs, but you should accrue for them.
$2000 per hour on track shoud cover transport, support, consumables, etc.
Don't kid yourself into trying to do it for less. You might defer some costs, but you should accrue for them.
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I know about race teams budgets, so I assume individual expenses should not be in same ballpark but somewhat comparable, that is why I not asking on per hour basis but generally on annual basis considering, say, 15 racing days per season.
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for events, my estimate would be around that $2k, probably because tires are the most expensive of the consumable at 1400 to 1900 per set.
yet, its also important to remember, because its consumable, dont presume that a GT3 vs a cup, or any other car versus a cup is that much more expensive. consumables are consumables whatever car you slap them on.
yet, its also important to remember, because its consumable, dont presume that a GT3 vs a cup, or any other car versus a cup is that much more expensive. consumables are consumables whatever car you slap them on.
Hi,
Could anybody who races 996 cup cars post here your average annual budget?
I am trying to justify for myself if I am able to pull the plug on one of those and even if I can swallow initial purchase price I am very concerned about ongoing expenses and naturally I have no idea of what they could even be.
I am really torn between real cup car or GT3. I got '06 997 C2 last year as I found one quite cheap and I was thinking to get it to play with 997 platform for a while just to get feel of it, then put more or less adequate suspension together like motons/ohlins/GT3 parts, get engine redone to racing specs, strip interior and just start taking it out for fun but it is really questionable strategy as I can see it now and it seems that even with considerably higher initial costs going after 996 cup car is in the long run cheaper and more productive way, isn`t it?
DEspite how I like to rework cars I own myself it is quite silly to try to compete with Porsche engeneering plus when I was just 'thinking' about all that I wasn`t even aware of classifications, etc.
Could anybody who races 996 cup cars post here your average annual budget?
I am trying to justify for myself if I am able to pull the plug on one of those and even if I can swallow initial purchase price I am very concerned about ongoing expenses and naturally I have no idea of what they could even be.
I am really torn between real cup car or GT3. I got '06 997 C2 last year as I found one quite cheap and I was thinking to get it to play with 997 platform for a while just to get feel of it, then put more or less adequate suspension together like motons/ohlins/GT3 parts, get engine redone to racing specs, strip interior and just start taking it out for fun but it is really questionable strategy as I can see it now and it seems that even with considerably higher initial costs going after 996 cup car is in the long run cheaper and more productive way, isn`t it?
DEspite how I like to rework cars I own myself it is quite silly to try to compete with Porsche engeneering plus when I was just 'thinking' about all that I wasn`t even aware of classifications, etc.
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I don't see how $2K can cover much...
Front Brake rotor$ last just a few events, pads about the same.
Clutch maybe several races
Axles, Engine, and transmission hours need to be added in for rebuilds
Fuel alone can be about a grand for a race, double that for Canada.
transportation to the average race is about $2K
track support maybe $1K
I don't like to figure out how much I spend, but it's way more than the above estimates. An average race that's far away is at least 5 figures including flights, hotels, etc.
Front Brake rotor$ last just a few events, pads about the same.
Clutch maybe several races
Axles, Engine, and transmission hours need to be added in for rebuilds
Fuel alone can be about a grand for a race, double that for Canada.
transportation to the average race is about $2K
track support maybe $1K
I don't like to figure out how much I spend, but it's way more than the above estimates. An average race that's far away is at least 5 figures including flights, hotels, etc.
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I don't see how $2K can cover much...
Front Brake rotor$ last just a few events, pads about the same.
Clutch maybe several races
Axles, Engine, and transmission hours need to be added in for rebuilds
Fuel alone can be about a grand for a race, double that for Canada.
transportation to the average race is about $2K
track support maybe $1K
I don't like to figure out how much I spend, but it's way more than the above estimates. An average race that's far away is at least 5 figures including flights, hotels, etc.
Front Brake rotor$ last just a few events, pads about the same.
Clutch maybe several races
Axles, Engine, and transmission hours need to be added in for rebuilds
Fuel alone can be about a grand for a race, double that for Canada.
transportation to the average race is about $2K
track support maybe $1K
I don't like to figure out how much I spend, but it's way more than the above estimates. An average race that's far away is at least 5 figures including flights, hotels, etc.
I think people get the impression that cup cars are much more expensive to run than other race cars mainly due to the fact that most cup cars are maintained to a much higher standard than a lot of other race cars. A lot of this is due to the fact that the cars come with a service manual that tells you the recommended hours for a lot of parts. Any "GT" type car will have similar life on these parts, its just that while many owners of converted street car type race cars will simply wait until something breaks to replace it, most cup cars get many components placed on an hourly basis.
If you run any race car with ~400 hp and 2700 lbs, on slicks, drive it hard, and have full time support for the car it will cost approximately the same.
The main expense on a cup car that can be higher than comparably quick cars are the engines/gearboxes. A lot of that can be avoided if you have a good independent that can do your engine work rather than sending it to PMNA. PMNA prices are pretty outrageous for engine rebuilds, but that is up to the owner to decide if they want to go down that road or not...
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running a 996 CUP car is not necessarily more expensive than any other car.
CUP cars have scheduled maintenance requirements to ensure safe competitive operation. It is standard procedure to replace these items on a time basis vs. ignoring them.
Street cars that are raced on a track should also have the same schedule but normally don't because they are usually not raced as often and owners are not as concerned for the level of competition they run.
IMHO, do not cut up your 997. Keep it stock as a D.D.
As to a track car.
(1)
look for 996 GT3 street car that has already been set up for track duty. (seats, suspension, safety equipment)
You can than further strip it and modify it as need be , but you still have title and road worthiness for any potential future buyer if you decide to sell. Flexibility is nice.
You can choose to drive this car to the track, or use a truck and trailer to get it to the track.
Depends on your resources and level of competition. It only requires pump gas which is nice for ease of ownership. But of course it will not be as light and quick as a CUP without spending lotsa money.
(2)
OR
find a nice clean 996 CUP if are prepared to deal with trailering the thing everywhere you go.
Engine and tranny rebuilds on either car will be warranted depending how much you use them.
Find a shop in your surrounding area that run CUP cars and have them perform the necessary maintenance or recommended.
A 996 CUP used for D.E, track days and light racing duty in theory should offer reliable service other than tires, oil, race fuel and brakes.
CUP cars have scheduled maintenance requirements to ensure safe competitive operation. It is standard procedure to replace these items on a time basis vs. ignoring them.
Street cars that are raced on a track should also have the same schedule but normally don't because they are usually not raced as often and owners are not as concerned for the level of competition they run.
IMHO, do not cut up your 997. Keep it stock as a D.D.
As to a track car.
(1)
look for 996 GT3 street car that has already been set up for track duty. (seats, suspension, safety equipment)
You can than further strip it and modify it as need be , but you still have title and road worthiness for any potential future buyer if you decide to sell. Flexibility is nice.
You can choose to drive this car to the track, or use a truck and trailer to get it to the track.
Depends on your resources and level of competition. It only requires pump gas which is nice for ease of ownership. But of course it will not be as light and quick as a CUP without spending lotsa money.
(2)
OR
find a nice clean 996 CUP if are prepared to deal with trailering the thing everywhere you go.
Engine and tranny rebuilds on either car will be warranted depending how much you use them.
Find a shop in your surrounding area that run CUP cars and have them perform the necessary maintenance or recommended.
A 996 CUP used for D.E, track days and light racing duty in theory should offer reliable service other than tires, oil, race fuel and brakes.
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The main expense on a cup car that can be higher than comparably quick cars are the engines/gearboxes. A lot of that can be avoided if you have a good independent that can do your engine work rather than sending it to PMNA. PMNA prices are pretty outrageous for engine rebuilds, but that is up to the owner to decide if they want to go down that road or not...
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I don't see how $2K can cover much...
Front Brake rotor$ last just a few events, pads about the same.
Clutch maybe several races
Axles, Engine, and transmission hours need to be added in for rebuilds
Fuel alone can be about a grand for a race, double that for Canada.
transportation to the average race is about $2K
track support maybe $1K
I don't like to figure out how much I spend, but it's way more than the above estimates. An average race that's far away is at least 5 figures including flights, hotels, etc.
Front Brake rotor$ last just a few events, pads about the same.
Clutch maybe several races
Axles, Engine, and transmission hours need to be added in for rebuilds
Fuel alone can be about a grand for a race, double that for Canada.
transportation to the average race is about $2K
track support maybe $1K
I don't like to figure out how much I spend, but it's way more than the above estimates. An average race that's far away is at least 5 figures including flights, hotels, etc.
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Come on I was trying to convince my self that it was only $2k per hour.
OK more like $2700 per hour now that I think of it.
Average 3 day PCA race with no damage or breakage is $12-15K all in.
OK more like $2700 per hour now that I think of it.
Average 3 day PCA race with no damage or breakage is $12-15K all in.
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