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Old 05-07-2018, 07:59 PM
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I am running 800F / 1000R springs, Car weighs 3100lbs with driver. I am running 2 way Moton shocks - some day when I feel rich, I will get some JRZ's or equiv...
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Originally Posted by rbahr
I am running 800F / 1000R springs, Car weighs 3100lbs with driver. I am running 2 way Moton shocks - some day when I feel rich, I will get some JRZ's or equiv...
Those are pretty light. Honestly with your dampers higher spring rates are easily manageable.
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Originally Posted by rbahr
Front ride height has been between 95 - 100mm. Yes on the subframes - front and rear. Rear has been ~ 125 mm - I am unable to run lower due to the wheel wells. Been wondering about rake as well. Been running 25-30mm rake. The cup cars ONLY work as well as they do because of the astronomical spring rates which essentially remove all compliance (my opinion). I was hoping that I could run softer rates AND lower the car while not giving up on compliance. It does open a boatload / pantload /... of tuning issues, for example - what is the correct rake / ride height. What about rear CASTOR (not camber) since we can also adjust it.



Been thinking about this as well, and I need to verify this with some experimentation, BUT I guess I don't see this. I am thinking that there is NO effective difference between mounting a laser on the rim / up-right as a mirror since the mirror will also reflect all changes in x,y,z, and rotation. By compensating for rotation (easy to do if I am measuring it) I can essentially eliminate it - at least that is the theory.

I also think I understand the rotation I am seeing - since the strut is not orthogonal (in part castor) to the road surface, AND most joints have movement, when the ball joint raises, there is a vector that essentially rotates the leading edge of the rotor

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Think about the vertical movement. Imagine if the strut was mounted purely vertically and just slid straight up and down in a vertical plane - no lower control arm to move through an arc, just pure vertical transition on a sliding joint. If you attached a mirror to the hub and shined a laser at it, the mirror would move up and down, but your reflected spot on a target would be perfectly stationary! If you attach the laser to the hub, the laser spot will move in a straight line up and down. Because of steering axis inclination (and caster), even if you have zero bump steer, a laser spot will move on an angled line from lower right to upper left as the suspension moves up if it's connected to the upright. If you have a mirror, again the laser would not move left or right at all and up and down motion is only due to camber changes.



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