72 Launches?
Three Wheelin'
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This is "funny" !
(I have no idea ..yet, about how many mine has. May be, when I will know, I will find it much less funny !)
Note that a Turbo S is able to do 0 to 300km/h in 40.7 seconds !
(Only a VERY few cars are in this "300's Club", and many "serious" exotics ..takes longer than that to do it !!!)
A well known French magazine did many "0 to 300km/h tests" and the PTS did amazingly well
The videos of this event are real nice, see the PTS in action :
Notice the perfect stability and how relax is the driving at the high speed, simply amazing.
(I have no idea ..yet, about how many mine has. May be, when I will know, I will find it much less funny !)
Note that a Turbo S is able to do 0 to 300km/h in 40.7 seconds !
(Only a VERY few cars are in this "300's Club", and many "serious" exotics ..takes longer than that to do it !!!)
A well known French magazine did many "0 to 300km/h tests" and the PTS did amazingly well
The videos of this event are real nice, see the PTS in action :
Notice the perfect stability and how relax is the driving at the high speed, simply amazing.
Last edited by GVA-SFO; Mar 30, 2013 at 02:28 PM.
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May be a bit off topic, but, to get a good comp..
During these "famous" 0 to 300km/h (0 to 186mph) trials, made in France on the Chateauroux airport strip, (pretty long, as it is a cargo facility), ..they also did "launch test" with a Formula 1 (a Lotus).
The driver was Nicolas Prost (son of Alain Prost, multiple F1 World champ).
The time to do "that" with a F1, ..is 12.1 seconds ! (and only 583 meters, or .362 miles of the runnway needed to make it !)
In my opinion, looking at all, the PTS is totally amazing, ..just an incredible car.
During these "famous" 0 to 300km/h (0 to 186mph) trials, made in France on the Chateauroux airport strip, (pretty long, as it is a cargo facility), ..they also did "launch test" with a Formula 1 (a Lotus).
The driver was Nicolas Prost (son of Alain Prost, multiple F1 World champ).
The time to do "that" with a F1, ..is 12.1 seconds ! (and only 583 meters, or .362 miles of the runnway needed to make it !)
In my opinion, looking at all, the PTS is totally amazing, ..just an incredible car.
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I would think 72 or 720 launches is not an issue....This is not someone abusing the car, but rather someone using a "feature" that Porsche built into the car. When my GTS comes next month, I an assure you that like the AC, power windows, brake pedal, etc....launch control will be used!!! :-)
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Well, yes, it is feature, no doubt, but to make it, the computer that drives this function put all the possible power through the drive train, or : maximum wear for all the components. I would think that one of the critical component in this chain is the clutch. The PDK gearbox has two clutches, one on each of the main shafts, and I understood that these clutches cannot be changed at dealers. If they are "done", it looks like it means : "New gearbox please".
And, I doubt that a new GB in the case of a car that has the L.C. counter with a 3 ..or 4 digit number will be taken at Porsche as a Warranty case...
In that case, the amount in the bottom if the repair bill should be quite "intersting" !!!
So, IMO, the real question should be: What is the life time in number of L.C. of these clutches ?
I think we can imagine (pure ball park, or better : guessing) that if the clutches are gone at 500 LC and if "new GB" is about 20k,
..then, the cost of one LC could be be about half of a fill up !
And, I doubt that a new GB in the case of a car that has the L.C. counter with a 3 ..or 4 digit number will be taken at Porsche as a Warranty case...
In that case, the amount in the bottom if the repair bill should be quite "intersting" !!!
So, IMO, the real question should be: What is the life time in number of L.C. of these clutches ?
I think we can imagine (pure ball park, or better : guessing) that if the clutches are gone at 500 LC and if "new GB" is about 20k,
..then, the cost of one LC could be be about half of a fill up !
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that being said that is what the car is made to do sooooo....
but since you asked I would prefer another car as I would consider this abuse, the CPO covers the car so no real worries
just my 2 cents
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I would think 72 or 720 launches is not an issue....This is not someone abusing the car, but rather someone using a "feature" that Porsche built into the car. When my GTS comes next month, I an assure you that like the AC, power windows, brake pedal, etc....launch control will be used!!! :-)
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It is a designed feature for the car, but given there are plenty of cars out there to choose from I would be looking for a differenct car CPO or not. Doesn't mean there is anything wrong with that car or that it is a mistake to buy it if you really like it. Just for me I want a car that has been driven, but not flogged.
Good luck finding what you want.
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So what you're telling us that wear is insignificant because it's a Porsche. Frankly, I believe that after 720 launches both the clutches and the tires would be toast. They didn't place that launch event counter in the software just to take up memory. There are no free lunches except in politics and pandering, you pay for what you get......have fun but save your dollars for the repairs.
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I did read your message and I seriously doubt that 720 launches is a viable "feature" anymore than blowing past a red line is intended use just because the tach reads higher. They are both logged by the computer and I'm reasonably certain are considered when you go for repairs. Do you really think that a PPI finding 720 launches would certify that car?
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Quote from the Panamera Owners Manual, page 196-
"Stress on components increases dramatically when starting with maximum acceleration in comparison with normal driving off. Use of Launch Control will inevitably reduce the life of the engaged engine and transmission components."
That doesn't sound like a invitation to a warranty covered repair if a problem develops, IMO. Check out recent thread in this forum on "How important is a CPO" to see an example of a 2012 Panamera that passed CPO but split apart due to defective welds a few months after purchase. Go for a vehicle that has the best chance of providing you with years of problem free enjoyment.
"Stress on components increases dramatically when starting with maximum acceleration in comparison with normal driving off. Use of Launch Control will inevitably reduce the life of the engaged engine and transmission components."
That doesn't sound like a invitation to a warranty covered repair if a problem develops, IMO. Check out recent thread in this forum on "How important is a CPO" to see an example of a 2012 Panamera that passed CPO but split apart due to defective welds a few months after purchase. Go for a vehicle that has the best chance of providing you with years of problem free enjoyment.
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Anyone who's done a LC start - or even just a WOT run from zero to whatever, anyone with reasonable intelligence, would likely surmise that it would cause more wear and tear and stress on the car. As is clearly stated in the owner's manual.
So, while one can legitimately argue that the car is designed for this abuse, it will have a long-term affect on the drivetrain and that should be considered when buying a used car. How important that factor is will vary from person to person.
Whoever buys my car from me will be shocked to see zero LC. OK, maybe one.
