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Below are the specs. I'm set on the exterior color, would welcome any opinions on doing something more creative with the interior though. November build date.
Panamera Turbo 970 430
BASE Panamera Turbo
1A Carbon Grey Metallic
1A Carbon Grey Metallic
BB Two-Tone Black / Platinum Grey
686 XM Satellite Radio
619 Bluetooth® Phone Interface
682 Burmester High-End Sound-Systm
870 Universal Audio Interface
823 Birch Anthracite Interior Pkg
CVW Rear View Mirror in Leather
970 Leather Int Package Two-Tone
XFG Instrument Dials Guards Red
810 Floor Mats
861 Pwr Sunscreen-Rear Side Windws
576 4-zone Automatic A/C System
630 Rear Interior Lighting Package
P81 Adaptive Sport Seats w/Mem Pkg
450 Porsche Ceramic Composite Brak
640 Sport Chrono Package Plus
638 ParkAssist F/R Inc Rear Camera
446 Wheel Caps with Colored Crest
417 20" RS Spyder Design wheel
Panamera Turbo 970 430
BASE Panamera Turbo
1A Carbon Grey Metallic
1A Carbon Grey Metallic
BB Two-Tone Black / Platinum Grey
686 XM Satellite Radio
619 Bluetooth® Phone Interface
682 Burmester High-End Sound-Systm
870 Universal Audio Interface
823 Birch Anthracite Interior Pkg
CVW Rear View Mirror in Leather
970 Leather Int Package Two-Tone
XFG Instrument Dials Guards Red
810 Floor Mats
861 Pwr Sunscreen-Rear Side Windws
576 4-zone Automatic A/C System
630 Rear Interior Lighting Package
P81 Adaptive Sport Seats w/Mem Pkg
450 Porsche Ceramic Composite Brak
640 Sport Chrono Package Plus
638 ParkAssist F/R Inc Rear Camera
446 Wheel Caps with Colored Crest
417 20" RS Spyder Design wheel
Otherwise, I think getting the Turbo with PCCBs and a hefty discount is probably the right way to go with this car, you're either in the market for a $160K Porsche four door, or you're not, so no use getting too bogged down in the cost of the thing. I'd get it on a lease with a big residual and I'd accept the fact that these early Panameras will be like early Cayennes (in terms of quality control, bugs and resale value.)
For price, I'd start at a $15K discount on a Turbo and see how it unfolds. Maybe, just maybe, the initial buyers will outstrip supply. I doubt it. I drove the 4S through the mountains at the Quail event and it's a lot of fun, but it's still the same odd-shaped thing with awkward proportions. Talking with others there for the demo drive event, not one was "sold" on the car. Each to his own and you clearly want the car, but don't let your personal enthusiasm skew your expectations of demand. I'd encourage you to take the opportunity to push very hard on price, especially since you're starting with a $160K Turbo. So somewhere between 7% and 10% should be do-able. A non-refundable deposit must be a TX law, in CA, deposits are always refundable.
My only disappointment with the Panamera Turbo is that it's at 500hp when the Cayenne Turbo S is already at 550hp. Of course Porsche is making it clear that there will soon be a Panamera Turbo S, so some will wait for the extra horses and anyone buying the "first kid on the block" status Turbo should realize their resale value will be subject to the market reaction to the Turbo S. I guess anyone buying a Panamera should have already made peace with their likely resale value prospects.
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My dealer found out the process is completely different from the Cayennne. A substance is sprayed directly on the Panamera glass that apparently has some form of metallic compund in it. On the Cayenne it has a plastic material that is between the panes of glass. He also said Joe West who is the lead product specialist for NA did not know the answers to our questions.
I'll post what I know as soon as I find out.
#33
My dealer spoke with Bill Buckley who is the director of training for PCNA . Bill told him he has not been made aware of any potentail issues with the thermal insulation and has been driving a Panamera with this option using his windshield mounted radar detector, cell phone and toll tag wihout any issues.
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My dealer spoke with Bill Buckley who is the director of training for PCNA . Bill told him he has not been made aware of any potentail issues with the thermal insulation and has been driving a Panamera with this option using his windshield mounted radar detector, cell phone and toll tag wihout any issues.
I wonder why PAG engineering thinks that Option 865 blocks radar signals?
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#38
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Finally saw a Panamera S last night.
Initial observations:
1. Car is as ugly in person as is it in the pictures.
2. After 3 scotches, the looks did not improve; however, a lowball glass fits very nicely in the middle front cupholder.
3. The driver cockpit is the best part about the car, Carrera GT'ish with lots of buttons, if you're in to that sort of thing, which I am.
4. Sport seats are a must have option just like the Carrera. Too narrow at the shoulders, but they provide a good view forward from the rear seats.
5. To many ash trays, it's retarded, they need a delete option.
6. If you can't spring for the turbo, I'm not sure I could buy one. The only thing it's really got going for it is the performance (allegedly, I haven't drive it yet) to make up for the station wagon looks. The non-turbo's are to close performance wise to much better looking sedans.
7. I will be leasing to hedge against the potential massive depreciation if the cars do poorly or VW does something stupid.
That's about all I can think of right now.
-Roger
Initial observations:
1. Car is as ugly in person as is it in the pictures.
2. After 3 scotches, the looks did not improve; however, a lowball glass fits very nicely in the middle front cupholder.
3. The driver cockpit is the best part about the car, Carrera GT'ish with lots of buttons, if you're in to that sort of thing, which I am.
4. Sport seats are a must have option just like the Carrera. Too narrow at the shoulders, but they provide a good view forward from the rear seats.
5. To many ash trays, it's retarded, they need a delete option.
6. If you can't spring for the turbo, I'm not sure I could buy one. The only thing it's really got going for it is the performance (allegedly, I haven't drive it yet) to make up for the station wagon looks. The non-turbo's are to close performance wise to much better looking sedans.
7. I will be leasing to hedge against the potential massive depreciation if the cars do poorly or VW does something stupid.
That's about all I can think of right now.
-Roger
#39
Finally saw a Panamera S last night.
Initial observations:
1. Car is as ugly in person as is it in the pictures.
2. After 3 scotches, the looks did not improve; however, a lowball glass fits very nicely in the middle front cupholder.
3. The driver cockpit is the best part about the car, Carrera GT'ish with lots of buttons, if you're in to that sort of thing, which I am.
4. Sport seats are a must have option just like the Carrera. Too narrow at the shoulders, but they provide a good view forward from the rear seats.
5. To many ash trays, it's retarded, they need a delete option.
6. If you can't spring for the turbo, I'm not sure I could buy one. The only thing it's really got going for it is the performance (allegedly, I haven't drive it yet) to make up for the station wagon looks. The non-turbo's are to close performance wise to much better looking sedans.
7. I will be leasing to hedge against the potential massive depreciation if the cars do poorly or VW does something stupid.
That's about all I can think of right now.
-Roger
Initial observations:
1. Car is as ugly in person as is it in the pictures.
2. After 3 scotches, the looks did not improve; however, a lowball glass fits very nicely in the middle front cupholder.
3. The driver cockpit is the best part about the car, Carrera GT'ish with lots of buttons, if you're in to that sort of thing, which I am.
4. Sport seats are a must have option just like the Carrera. Too narrow at the shoulders, but they provide a good view forward from the rear seats.
5. To many ash trays, it's retarded, they need a delete option.
6. If you can't spring for the turbo, I'm not sure I could buy one. The only thing it's really got going for it is the performance (allegedly, I haven't drive it yet) to make up for the station wagon looks. The non-turbo's are to close performance wise to much better looking sedans.
7. I will be leasing to hedge against the potential massive depreciation if the cars do poorly or VW does something stupid.
That's about all I can think of right now.
-Roger
2. 3 Scotches is all it took to get your "beer goggles" on? Lightweight.
3. I don't see the Carrera GT resemblance.
4. Ventilated seats seem like the "must have" option. They work well.
5. One ash tray is one too many. I found cabin storage to be a real problem.
6. Turbo is overpriced and visually too similar; not justified by the meagre HP.
7. Lease: absolutely.
I agree the Panamera has very stiff competition in a rather dull segment. I wonder what Porsche does to train and equip their sales staff for competitive selling.
Still going ahead with an order? Any mention of discounting yet?
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1. Ugly, well, I'd say "ungainly."
2. 3 Scotches is all it took to get your "beer goggles" on? Lightweight.
3. I don't see the Carrera GT resemblance.
4. Ventilated seats seem like the "must have" option. They work well.
5. One ash tray is one too many. I found cabin storage to be a real problem.
6. Turbo is overpriced and visually too similar; not justified by the meagre HP.
7. Lease: absolutely.
I agree the Panamera has very stiff competition in a rather dull segment. I wonder what Porsche does to train and equip their sales staff for competitive selling.
Still going ahead with an order? Any mention of discounting yet?
2. 3 Scotches is all it took to get your "beer goggles" on? Lightweight.
3. I don't see the Carrera GT resemblance.
4. Ventilated seats seem like the "must have" option. They work well.
5. One ash tray is one too many. I found cabin storage to be a real problem.
6. Turbo is overpriced and visually too similar; not justified by the meagre HP.
7. Lease: absolutely.
I agree the Panamera has very stiff competition in a rather dull segment. I wonder what Porsche does to train and equip their sales staff for competitive selling.
Still going ahead with an order? Any mention of discounting yet?
2. Usually 3 scotches would start having an effect. Not this time, continued to look like a double bagger.
3. The high and upward sloping center console.
4. I've never had ventilated seats, so I won't miss them.
5. If you get a non-turbo and start throwing all the goodies on (full leather, etc.) the price gets jacked up very quick. The turbo is almost a full second quicker.
6. The Panamera makes a Cayenne Turbo a bargain in comparison.
7. Still going ahead with the order, my wife loved it. No discussion on price yet.
8. Can't decided on PDCC.
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1. The car was surprisingly massive. I thought I might get rid of the Cayenne and Carrera. Looks like I'll be keeping the Carrera or getting a different sports car.
2. Usually 3 scotches would start having an effect. Not this time, continued to look like a double bagger.
3. The high and upward sloping center console.
4. I've never had ventilated seats, so I won't miss them.
5. If you get a non-turbo and start throwing all the goodies on (full leather, etc.) the price gets jacked up very quick. The turbo is almost a full second quicker.
6. The Panamera makes a Cayenne Turbo a bargain in comparison.
7. Still going ahead with the order, my wife loved it. No discussion on price yet.
8. Can't decided on PDCC.
2. Usually 3 scotches would start having an effect. Not this time, continued to look like a double bagger.
3. The high and upward sloping center console.
4. I've never had ventilated seats, so I won't miss them.
5. If you get a non-turbo and start throwing all the goodies on (full leather, etc.) the price gets jacked up very quick. The turbo is almost a full second quicker.
6. The Panamera makes a Cayenne Turbo a bargain in comparison.
7. Still going ahead with the order, my wife loved it. No discussion on price yet.
8. Can't decided on PDCC.
2. Double Bagger. Laugh.
3. The console. Well, sure, there's some geometric similarities, but hell, the Carrera GT console is unique, distinctive, functional ... inspired! The Panamera console is a 90's Nokia cell phone.
4. The seats are great, definitely worth the check box tariff.
5. I agree that the Porsche folks have tilted the game to make a nicely optioned S (of any of their cars) cost enough to "justify" the Turbo. I think they need to rethink their pricing model and see what happens if people could treat the order guide seriously instead of being insulted by $500 sun visors.
6. Agreed. By the power of unintended consequences, the Panamera is showing another characteristic of being a new model. If Porsche sees a tweak in Cayenne sales, they'll be climbing the walls of a padded cell by Tuesday ... : )
7. Interesting that you're not the first to voice the aspect of the car appealing to their wife.
8. PDCC would be a "must have" for me because I live at the end of 15 miles of winding mountain roads and I'd want to take the Panamera to the track.
I think you should find it relatively easy to get a pretty substantial discount off a Turbo. Good luck, and delete the red gauges idea! : )
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My dealer spoke with Bill Buckley who is the director of training for PCNA . Bill told him he has not been made aware of any potential issues with the thermal insulation and has been driving a Panamera with this option using his windshield mounted radar detector, cell phone and toll tag without any issues.
One of my dealer's launch Panameras had the option 865 thermal and sound insulating glass package on it. They let me drive it around quite a bit one afternoon.
Option 865 DEFINITELY BLOCKS RADAR through at least the windshield. The V1 never lit its front arrow while mounted to the windshield and only weak signals were detected from the rear-facing antenna.
While the windshield from this package clobbers radar detector performance, there didn't seem to be any game-ending attenuation of cell phone signals.
Claudia Boensch said that the engineers in Germany told her that the Cayenne and Panamera thermal glass packages are made in an identical manner. I'd hoped for more specific technical details, but she didn't have them.
#43
Thanks for some real world feedback! It sounds like I should be fine as long as I go with a remote mount radar/laser set up. My car is due in the first week of November so I will also post feedback. It is interesting Claudia says the process is the same as the Cayenne since the there is no disclaimer for the Panamera on the configurator like there is for the Cayenne. This is also not consistent with what my dealer was told. Who knows at this point?
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the layer of metal makes the detector useless, the cell transmits and receives through the side glass and the laser cruise will set off someone elses laser detector, imagine if they had a rear facing sensor...BRAKE TEST, other than that, I cant wait to see one in person, but I do believe that the "S" version should be 480 HP and the turbo 600Hp to justify the price, in time the looks will get better, look at the Cayenne update