Considering a CPO Turbo S E Hybrid
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Considering a CPO Turbo S E Hybrid
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I am considering purchasing a CPO'd Turbo S E Hybrid. Anything I should be on the lookout for in terms of overall car health? CPO should help. but just want to make sure I am not overlooking anything. I am looking at cars with 40-50K miles (2018), Thank you in advace!
I am considering purchasing a CPO'd Turbo S E Hybrid. Anything I should be on the lookout for in terms of overall car health? CPO should help. but just want to make sure I am not overlooking anything. I am looking at cars with 40-50K miles (2018), Thank you in advace!
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If you are planning to keep it beyond the CPO warranty, I would avoid the hybrid. The HV battery is an expense, costing more than the vehicle itself, waiting to bite you. Read the many HV battery stories here. A lot of other things which may also break.
There is a reason that even though the hybrids cost more new, that they sell for much less than their gasoline only counterparts when used. It may seem like a bargain but it is a bargain akin to getting a "free" puppy. If you must have a Panamera, spend a bit more and stick to a gas variant. I am a big fan of electric, I have an EV and a hybrid both from other brands. Unfortunately, Porsche hybrids are an overcomplicated mess which will cost you a fortune in the end.
There is a reason that even though the hybrids cost more new, that they sell for much less than their gasoline only counterparts when used. It may seem like a bargain but it is a bargain akin to getting a "free" puppy. If you must have a Panamera, spend a bit more and stick to a gas variant. I am a big fan of electric, I have an EV and a hybrid both from other brands. Unfortunately, Porsche hybrids are an overcomplicated mess which will cost you a fortune in the end.
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If you are planning to keep it beyond the CPO warranty, I would avoid the hybrid. The HV battery is an expense, costing more than the vehicle itself, waiting to bite you. Read the many HV battery stories here. A lot of other things which may also break.
There is a reason that even though the hybrids cost more new, that they sell for much less than their gasoline only counterparts when used. It may seem like a bargain but it is a bargain akin to getting a "free" puppy. If you must have a Panamera, spend a bit more and stick to a gas variant. I am a big fan of electric, I have an EV and a hybrid both from other brands. Unfortunately, Porsche hybrids are an overcomplicated mess which will cost you a fortune in the end.
There is a reason that even though the hybrids cost more new, that they sell for much less than their gasoline only counterparts when used. It may seem like a bargain but it is a bargain akin to getting a "free" puppy. If you must have a Panamera, spend a bit more and stick to a gas variant. I am a big fan of electric, I have an EV and a hybrid both from other brands. Unfortunately, Porsche hybrids are an overcomplicated mess which will cost you a fortune in the end.
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Personally, I wouldn't let these generalized concerns around the batteries phase you unless you're planning to keep the car for the duration of its useuable life, as it's at that point that expectations for battery life should be tempered. Given that you say you'll only have the car if its under warranty, you would be rid of the car before it hit it the end of its usable life expectancy. As well, data-wise I've only seen 2, maybe 3 posts about battery issues in the hybrid cars, and those were all pre-2017 cars.
I say this because I own a sport turismo 4 hybrid and the economy of the car is very real, and I really appreciate it: I live in a "village" (a small town) among many other "village", all about 1-10 miles apart; and I have two kids in various sports and activities. I can drive them around all over these villages and get 60-100 miles a gallon average; if I mix in highway driving, or longer trips, I'll average around 36-37mpg. And I can't drive 55, so when I'm on the big roads, the car sees big mph - I don't prioritize economy at those times.
And yeah - I assume we in this forum can all pay our gas bills, but (a) I just don't like to be so at the mercy of the factors that establish gas prices, and (b) I just don't want to spend that much money on gas anymore - feels anachronistic.
I say this because I own a sport turismo 4 hybrid and the economy of the car is very real, and I really appreciate it: I live in a "village" (a small town) among many other "village", all about 1-10 miles apart; and I have two kids in various sports and activities. I can drive them around all over these villages and get 60-100 miles a gallon average; if I mix in highway driving, or longer trips, I'll average around 36-37mpg. And I can't drive 55, so when I'm on the big roads, the car sees big mph - I don't prioritize economy at those times.
And yeah - I assume we in this forum can all pay our gas bills, but (a) I just don't like to be so at the mercy of the factors that establish gas prices, and (b) I just don't want to spend that much money on gas anymore - feels anachronistic.
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I am bummed to hear that. I will expand my search to incclude a regular turbo S as well. I don't ever plan to own any of these cars out of a warranty, CPO or otherwise. Originally I was shopping for a Polestar 1, and heard similar stories. I find hybrids much more appealing than conventional cars...
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If you are planning to get rid of it before CPO warranty expires, then your risk is minimal. Agree that the 17s have had fewer reported issues than the 17+. Then again, the 17+ is that much newer and those who have warranty coverage are less likely to be posting for advice on expensive failures. BTW, I have a PS2, it has been to the shop once on 20k miles for a software issue that has since been resolved via ota software update. Not as luxurious as the Panamera but equally fast and unique. Unlike when I had my Panamera, I do not know all of the service writers, at multiple dealerships, by name. The PS1s are gorgeous. However, they did have a major recall on their batteries and, being very limited production, are also very expensive to repair.
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I woul keep it as long as I can have it under a cpo warranty - perhaps I can extend it at purchase or purchase later. The PS1 is one of my favorite cars but it's a risky purchase even at 95K (was looking at one for that amount with 2k miles). The market has spoken on these - meaning, there is no market for them. Polestar planned to import 450 to the US but we ended up getting around 200, 35 or so went to Hertz, and 10 or so are stil new and unsold at various dealerships and they are going to be 3 years old in 2 months. I would expect values to drop well under 70k soon enough.
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I test drove a panamera 4 e hybrid today, brand new. I really liked it. Extremely smooth and the handling if wonderful. The car feels so over engineered and really captures what a Porsche is in my opinion. In order to get a feel for what a 5 year old panamera is like, I also test drove a 2018 panamera base with 40k miles that's CPO. It was not in the same league. It was rattly and wobbly. Perhaps CA roads didn't do it any favores, but if that's how a typical 5 year old panamera drives, I might want to change course and not bother with a 5 year old turbo S hybrid that costs almost 100k and is located on the other coast 
In any case, I am also not going to spend 125K on a new panamera 4 hybrid when a new model is just around the corner but I am smitten with the panamera. I am not sure what to do at this point. I also tried driving a taycan 4S. Didn't like it.
In any case, I am also not going to spend 125K on a new panamera 4 hybrid when a new model is just around the corner but I am smitten with the panamera. I am not sure what to do at this point. I also tried driving a taycan 4S. Didn't like it.
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I test drove a panamera 4 e hybrid today, brand new. I really liked it. Extremely smooth and the handling if wonderful. The car feels so over engineered and really captures what a Porsche is in my opinion. In order to get a feel for what a 5 year old panamera is like, I also test drove a 2018 panamera base with 40k miles that's CPO. It was not in the same league. It was rattly and wobbly. Perhaps CA roads didn't do it any favores, but if that's how a typical 5 year old panamera drives, I might want to change course and not bother with a 5 year old turbo S hybrid that costs almost 100k and is located on the other coast In any case, I am also not going to spend 125K on a new panamera 4 hybrid when a new model is just around the corner but I am smitten with the panamera. I am not sure what to do at this point. I also tried driving a taycan 4S. Didn't like it.
In any case, I am also not going to spend 125K on a new panamera 4 hybrid when a new model is just around the corner but I am smitten with the panamera. I am not sure what to do at this point. I also tried driving a taycan 4S. Didn't like it.
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I test drove a panamera 4 e hybrid today, brand new. I really liked it. Extremely smooth and the handling if wonderful. The car feels so over engineered and really captures what a Porsche is in my opinion. In order to get a feel for what a 5 year old panamera is like, I also test drove a 2018 panamera base with 40k miles that's CPO. It was not in the same league. It was rattly and wobbly. Perhaps CA roads didn't do it any favores, but if that's how a typical 5 year old panamera drives, I might want to change course and not bother with a 5 year old turbo S hybrid that costs almost 100k and is located on the other coast In any case, I am also not going to spend 125K on a new panamera 4 hybrid when a new model is just around the corner but I am smitten with the panamera. I am not sure what to do at this point. I also tried driving a taycan 4S. Didn't like it.
In any case, I am also not going to spend 125K on a new panamera 4 hybrid when a new model is just around the corner but I am smitten with the panamera. I am not sure what to do at this point. I also tried driving a taycan 4S. Didn't like it.The car is solid. Like, W140 Mercedes solid.
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While the Panamera is complex, if you are good with wrenching you can probably fix most things on the ICE, if anything goes wrong with the hybrid system you are likely held hostage by the dealer.