BMW: bringing 4-cylinders... begining of end of gas engine???
09-06-2011, 05:48 PM
#46
Nordschleife Master
09-06-2011, 05:48 PM
#47
But the car is A LOT heavier today mostly due to OTHER safety regulations which I don't think anyone disagrees contributed to less fatality on our roads. ABS, Traction Control, Stability Control, 8-10 Airbags, specific crumble zones (heavier gauge steel), etc...
So, if you want your cake and eat it too at 50mpg, something's gotto give.
So, if you want your cake and eat it too at 50mpg, something's gotto give.
50 mpg should not be so hard to achieve for a sedan in a few years. The new 5,000+ lb. VW Touareg TDI gets 28 mpg on the highway. (0-60 about 7-7.5 seconds.).
09-07-2011, 05:43 AM
#48
Hmm, did you forget that the car costs $750K? After all fees and taxes, to be $1 Million dollars?
Oh yeah, ofcourse, make a car with FULL carbon fiber body, as light as F1 cars, use Titanium for engine parts, and use a gold plated engine like McLaren F1 car with 1.4Litre, you will have a GREAT performing car with MPG that will cost hmm maybe, $500K?
Oh yeah, ofcourse, make a car with FULL carbon fiber body, as light as F1 cars, use Titanium for engine parts, and use a gold plated engine like McLaren F1 car with 1.4Litre, you will have a GREAT performing car with MPG that will cost hmm maybe, $500K?
09-07-2011, 03:57 PM
#49
Okay, maybe this is easier to digest for all the Chicken Littles out there.
A performance hybrid with KERS. And it''s affordable at ~60K €.
KERS hybrid "turbo" boost http://jalopnik.com/5837793/jaguar-c...pet-this-*****
4.4 sec and 186 mph top speed. With 34 mpg fuel economy.
The performance auto world will not collapsing but instead will be getting better.
Forcing innovation can be a good thing.
A performance hybrid with KERS. And it''s affordable at ~60K €.
KERS hybrid "turbo" boost http://jalopnik.com/5837793/jaguar-c...pet-this-*****
4.4 sec and 186 mph top speed. With 34 mpg fuel economy.
The performance auto world will not collapsing but instead will be getting better.
Forcing innovation can be a good thing.
09-07-2011, 05:07 PM
#50
Okay, maybe this is easier to digest for all the Chicken Littles out there.
A performance hybrid with KERS. And it''s affordable at ~60K €.
KERS hybrid "turbo" boost http://jalopnik.com/5837793/jaguar-c...pet-this-*****
4.4 sec and 186 mph top speed. With 34 mpg fuel economy.
The performance auto world will not collapsing but instead will be getting better.
Forcing innovation can be a good thing.
A performance hybrid with KERS. And it''s affordable at ~60K €.
KERS hybrid "turbo" boost http://jalopnik.com/5837793/jaguar-c...pet-this-*****
4.4 sec and 186 mph top speed. With 34 mpg fuel economy.
The performance auto world will not collapsing but instead will be getting better.
Forcing innovation can be a good thing.
09-07-2011, 06:14 PM
#51
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
09-07-2011, 06:38 PM
#52
Did anyone else seem to forget when you get down to it.. Driving is a PRIVILEDGE and NOT a RIGHT?
Therefore, if you aren't the one making the rules, you are then subject to the rules. If you don't like what a manufacturer makes, you don't have to buy it. If you don't like the steps your government makes, you have a vote, so use it.
You could, on the otherhand, build your own car (just make sure you meet the regulations for whatever country you live in) and let us know how that goes.
Also don't forget that everyone on HERE is an enthusiast.. As a board there are what, 5,000 "members"? out of how many HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of licensed drivers in the world?
It seems, overall, most 997 posters are very angry lately.. their car is being discontinued, which makes them feel abandoned by their manufacturer and therefore their identity is crumbling.. all because a new 911 (a likely superior car) is coming out.. Now they notice the whole automotive scene is changing!! yikes, super efficient 4cyl turbos! Electric Cars! The sky is falling,the sky is falling!!!!!
Therefore, if you aren't the one making the rules, you are then subject to the rules. If you don't like what a manufacturer makes, you don't have to buy it. If you don't like the steps your government makes, you have a vote, so use it.
You could, on the otherhand, build your own car (just make sure you meet the regulations for whatever country you live in) and let us know how that goes.
Also don't forget that everyone on HERE is an enthusiast.. As a board there are what, 5,000 "members"? out of how many HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of licensed drivers in the world?
It seems, overall, most 997 posters are very angry lately.. their car is being discontinued, which makes them feel abandoned by their manufacturer and therefore their identity is crumbling.. all because a new 911 (a likely superior car) is coming out.. Now they notice the whole automotive scene is changing!! yikes, super efficient 4cyl turbos! Electric Cars! The sky is falling,the sky is falling!!!!!
09-07-2011, 07:14 PM
#54
No, not like ethanol. Ethanol is not necessarily an example of good innovation. In fact, it's not 'innovation.' Although bio fuel definitely has its place along side performance cars. There's nothing wrong with people driving non-Porsches and wanting only efficiency. Performance car enthusiasts are not the only people on the planet. And performance cars aren't going to die off. In the meantime maybe try to make room for other people who may not think owning a Porsche should be central to their life.
Eliminating lead from gasoline was a good thing for all of us. Unless you don't have kids or don't care about anything or anybody but yourself. Plenty of car enthusiasts were screaming when that happened. And yet cars are more powerful today than ever before.
Anyway, all of this is just an ancient cry from the Luddites and Chicken Littles of the world. It happens every time there is a paradigm shift. Some people can't handle it.
Eliminating lead from gasoline was a good thing for all of us. Unless you don't have kids or don't care about anything or anybody but yourself. Plenty of car enthusiasts were screaming when that happened. And yet cars are more powerful today than ever before.
Anyway, all of this is just an ancient cry from the Luddites and Chicken Littles of the world. It happens every time there is a paradigm shift. Some people can't handle it.
09-07-2011, 08:44 PM
#55
No, not like ethanol. Ethanol is not necessarily an example of good innovation. In fact, it's not 'innovation.' Although bio fuel definitely has its place along side performance cars. There's nothing wrong with people driving non-Porsches and wanting only efficiency. Performance car enthusiasts are not the only people on the planet. And performance cars aren't going to die off. In the meantime maybe try to make room for other people who may not think owning a Porsche should be central to their life.
Eliminating lead from gasoline was a good thing for all of us. Unless you don't have kids or don't care about anything or anybody but yourself. Plenty of car enthusiasts were screaming when that happened. And yet cars are more powerful today than ever before.
Anyway, all of this is just an ancient cry from the Luddites and Chicken Littles of the world. It happens every time there is a paradigm shift. Some people can't handle it.
Eliminating lead from gasoline was a good thing for all of us. Unless you don't have kids or don't care about anything or anybody but yourself. Plenty of car enthusiasts were screaming when that happened. And yet cars are more powerful today than ever before.
Anyway, all of this is just an ancient cry from the Luddites and Chicken Littles of the world. It happens every time there is a paradigm shift. Some people can't handle it.
