Macan PDK annoyance compared to other 911/917 PDK
#17
I just bought a Macan 2022 (new) GTS. Coming from a 2017 911 (991.2) Carrera S. My immediate impression on the GTS test drive was "WOW, damn close to the 911". Upon further driving I note that the Macan does not shift quite as aggressively as the 911. For example, on my back woods test road braking into corners, the Macan down shifts maybe two gears and the 911 three. The 911 does seem to be a tad bit quicker, but that may also be due to the 911 going up the rev range faster. In any case I was so impressed with the Macan I sold the 911 (sorry to see it go but could not justify the costs of owning both). Manual shifting with the paddles I think the 911 is quicker, particularly on downshifts. But from a practical level, the Macan GTS is plenty fast enough.
#18
I just bought a Macan 2022 (new) GTS. Coming from a 2017 911 (991.2) Carrera S. My immediate impression on the GTS test drive was "WOW, damn close to the 911". Upon further driving I note that the Macan does not shift quite as aggressively as the 911. For example, on my back woods test road braking into corners, the Macan down shifts maybe two gears and the 911 three. The 911 does seem to be a tad bit quicker, but that may also be due to the 911 going up the rev range faster. In any case I was so impressed with the Macan I sold the 911 (sorry to see it go but could not justify the costs of owning both). Manual shifting with the paddles I think the 911 is quicker, particularly on downshifts. But from a practical level, the Macan GTS is plenty fast enough.
My only 911 experience was years ago, but last night some joker pulled out in front of me to go 5mph under the speed limit on a 2-lane country road. I was cruising in normal mode at about 45mph in 5th gear, prior to that. As soon as it was safe to pass, I turned the dial to Sport+ and the Macan went into 2nd gear (rpm jumped from 1800 - almost 5000) . I hit the manual button on the steering wheel and passed 80mph in 3rd gear before the nose of my Macan cleared the nose of the offending vehicle. The shift from 2nd to 3rd in manual mode was instantaneous, with a confident "clunk" that could be felt in the driver's seat.
I'm sure the 911 PDK would have felt more aggressive still, in that situation, and the result would have been several mph faster as I nosed ahead, but I was very happy with the way the Macan responded.
#19
I will try my best to ask and explain but I may not do a good job of it... so excuse my horribly written post. lol
My 718's (have had numerous models) and 911 PDK paddles "actuated" damn near telepathically but my 2018 Macan GTS always had a lag between the time you pulled a PDK lever to the time the transmission actually shifted. I've heard people say the bus speed is slower in the Macan and/or the PDK (TCU) in the Macans is not really PDK in the same sense as the Porsche "cars". It always annoyed me in my Macan GTS and I got tired of asking tuners to make a PDK tune for our cars. I just dealt with it.
Fast Forward to 2023..... my 2018 Macan GTS was totaled and I ended up with a 2023 Macan T (long story... needless to say I don't own it anymore and have ordered a 2024 Macan GTS). The Macan T PDK paddles actuated JUST LIKE those in the Porsche cars. Instant shifting, no lag, would do what I wanted, exactly when I wanted it. LOVE-LOVED-LOVED it!!!
So... my question to those with the newer GTS's.... is the actuation of the PDK paddles instant or is there a lag like I described above? Maybe someone with an older GTS like I had that now has a newer one can chime in? My question isn't about how quickly the transmission shifts....it's about how long it takes from the time you "actuate" a paddle to the time the transmission shifts.
My 718's (have had numerous models) and 911 PDK paddles "actuated" damn near telepathically but my 2018 Macan GTS always had a lag between the time you pulled a PDK lever to the time the transmission actually shifted. I've heard people say the bus speed is slower in the Macan and/or the PDK (TCU) in the Macans is not really PDK in the same sense as the Porsche "cars". It always annoyed me in my Macan GTS and I got tired of asking tuners to make a PDK tune for our cars. I just dealt with it.
Fast Forward to 2023..... my 2018 Macan GTS was totaled and I ended up with a 2023 Macan T (long story... needless to say I don't own it anymore and have ordered a 2024 Macan GTS). The Macan T PDK paddles actuated JUST LIKE those in the Porsche cars. Instant shifting, no lag, would do what I wanted, exactly when I wanted it. LOVE-LOVED-LOVED it!!!
So... my question to those with the newer GTS's.... is the actuation of the PDK paddles instant or is there a lag like I described above? Maybe someone with an older GTS like I had that now has a newer one can chime in? My question isn't about how quickly the transmission shifts....it's about how long it takes from the time you "actuate" a paddle to the time the transmission shifts.
On a personal note, I had a single experience with a Yellow 1975 911 in Donner Summit, April 20th in the middle of a heavy snow storm. My brand new 74 Fiat Spyder died that night and stranded me. Alternator fried. A young couple offered me a ride that night to a gas station.
#20
Three Wheelin'
last night some joker pulled out in front of me to go 5mph under the speed limit on a 2-lane country road. I was cruising in normal mode at about 45mph in 5th gear, prior to that. As soon as it was safe to pass, I turned the dial to Sport+ and the Macan went into 2nd gear (rpm jumped from 1800 - almost 5000) . I hit the manual button on the steering wheel and passed 80mph in 3rd gear before the nose of my Macan cleared the nose of the offending vehicle. The shift from 2nd to 3rd in manual mode was instantaneous, with a confident "clunk" that could be felt in the driver's seat.
Last edited by DBH; 07-28-2023 at 08:34 PM.
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#22
I have a '20 911 C4S and a '22 Macan GTS, had 2 other Macans prior. I can't tell the difference in shifting action, all work almost instantly.
Last edited by Jim Wilke; 07-29-2023 at 05:38 AM.
#23
With all that said, since the Macan has a different PDK than the 911/981, does it mean the chances of the catastrophic PDK failure are lower too? My biggest fear with my last 981 was the catastrophic failure of the PDK. I was out of warranty and if the PDK would have failed, it would have cost me +20K. With my 23 Macan S I will have around 8 years of warranty (factory and later MBI), so I am not that worried but would be still good to know how durable the Macan PDK is.