info on macan, which one to get?
#1
info on macan, which one to get?
Hi and happy new year. ( we really need one)
first time on the macan forum ( I do own a 1995 993 ). looking for a 2017 for my wife. the base 2.0L or the S 3.0L
they are almost same cost. not looking for performance . which one will be easier to maintain. or no much difference.
thanks for any input.
first time on the macan forum ( I do own a 1995 993 ). looking for a 2017 for my wife. the base 2.0L or the S 3.0L
they are almost same cost. not looking for performance . which one will be easier to maintain. or no much difference.
thanks for any input.
#3
The overall maintenance cost will be a bit less with the 2.0l . It really boils down to what is needed, I opted for the base model with some extra bits (options) and saved over 10k on a MY20 in March of this year . I had owned a Audi Q5 with the similar 2.0L engine that clocked over 80k miles and it was flawless before trading in on base Macan
I would drive both , i also found the 2.0l to be more spirited for normal every day driving.
I would drive both , i also found the 2.0l to be more spirited for normal every day driving.
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#4
If similarly equipped with nearly identical price tags now, unless the base is significantly over-priced you will make out better at resale time with the S. They seem to hold their value better due to demand for the additional performance they offer. Maintenance should be the same.
#5
If the 2.0L engine is the same Turbo one as the one in the Q5, definitely don't get that one. Look on the web and you'll find all the iusues with that motor related to carbon build up and other failures. Discovered all that when looking for my daughter's first car, which elimited all the ones with that engine and had me looking at only the non-Turbo 6 cyl versions. Ended up getting her an X5 instead.
If 2 Porsches are the same price and one gas the more powerful engine, why would you but the lesser one and why eiuld you be looking at Porsches if "not concerned about performance".
If 2 Porsches are the same price and one gas the more powerful engine, why would you but the lesser one and why eiuld you be looking at Porsches if "not concerned about performance".
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#7
Have owned a ‘20 GTS x 4 months- super drive overall but wished it had more “thrust” ie X3M / X5M comp. Besides a relative lack of power compared to its price point competitors, the S/GTS are great cars and noticeably more potent than the base Macan.
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#9
As I mentioned previously, avoid the 4 cylinder 2.0 Turbo motor. It has major carbon build up issues, timing chain issues, and intake manifold issues - https://www.shopdap.com/blog/post/au...-problems.html
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#12
As I mentioned previously, avoid the 4 cylinder 2.0 Turbo motor. It has major carbon build up issues, timing chain issues, and intake manifold issues - https://www.shopdap.com/blog/post/au...-problems.html
3/MK7 R EA888 engine has the following changes and upgrades:
Cylinder head (made from a different alloy compared to other engines in this module because of higher thermal stress)
Exhaust valves (hollow, higher Ni content, nitrided)
Exhaust valve seat rings (improved temperature stability and wear resistance)
Exhaust camshaft (adapted valve timings)
Compression ratio 9.3:1 with different pistons
Piston cooling jets (higher flow rate)
High pressure injectors (even higher flow rate)
Exhaust turbocharger
Charge pressures of up to 17.4 PSI (1.2 bar)
High performance main radiator with 1-2 auxiliary radiators (depending on country specifications)
Additional acoustic modifications have been made in order to achieve a sporty sound - use of a sound actuator (for the occupant cell) and active exhaust flaps in the exhaust system
Additional Info
From page 9, S3 Sedan high-performance engine:
Significant upgrades compared to the already highly agile 2.0T engine and influenced from TFSI development in racing
Design changes for the new Audi S3 engine:
Pistons with new bolts and rings
Reinforced connecting rods
New mounts transfer the power to the crankshaft
Gray cast iron crankcase reinforced at the main bearing seats and the main bearing cover
New cylinder head made from lightweight aluminum-silicon alloy characterized by high strength and temperature resistance
New exhaust valves, valve seats and springs
New high-pressure injection valves
New turbocharger includes a self-adapting plastic seal between the compression wheel and housing, which improves efficiency
On top of that, the S3 runs a lower 9.3:1 (compared to 9.6:1 in the A3) compression ratio that's slightly better suited to higher boost applications.
On page 10, it specifically mentions the construction of each model's cylinder head is "Aluminum" and the S3 is "Aluminum-Silicon" - the E888 HAS had an aluminum cylinder head since the MK6.
The aluminum-silicon alloy version created for the MK7 R/S3 is unique and designed to tolerate higher thermal stress.
Turbo specs
S3/MK7 R 2.0T EA888 Gen 3
IHI IS38
6/6 Blade Billet Compressor Wheel & 8 Blade Turbine Wheel
45.2 mm Inducer / 58.0 mm Exducer - Compressor
47.4 mm Inducer / 54.7 mm Exducer - Turbine
A3/MK7 GTI 2.0T EA888 Gen 3
IHI IS20
6/6 Blade Billet Compressor Wheel & 8 Blade Turbine Wheel
42.5 mm Inducer / 54.0 mm Exducer - Compressor
46.8 mm Inducer / 50.4 mm Exducer - Turbine
Obviously not all of these will be applicable to the Macan, but this is the best I could find with a quick google search. I think you get my point; I'd make sure that any common issues are specific to the Macan itself before making the assumption that the common issues to other platforms are also applicable. So far I haven't seen anything to confirm this.
Of course this all seems a bit silly though; a Macan is pretty much that car you get when you need the practicality/ride height advantage of an SUV, but prefer a sports car. If performance isn't a concern but maintenance is, I don't really see the value in a Macan.
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#13
As far as the air ride is concerned, if it were a 2020+ I'd actually recommend against the air suspension. The steel suspension was re-worked for the mid-cycle refresh, the ride is superb enough as is, plus for spirited driving, non-air ride PASM is better.
First Test was a 2020 Turbo with Air Ride. fantastic and very, very quick. Loved the standard Surface Coated Brakes. $ 90K. Winner
Next Drive was a fully loaded Macan S with Air Ride. Very nice, very smooth and stable. Quick enough $ 72K (we bought this one)
Last drive was a stripper Macan S with almost no options, it crashed over the bumps and expansion joints, the interior felt cheap. $ 54K as I recall.
We went back and forth between the S with Air and Turbo models, they wer offering 7% off on the Turbo, 12% off on the S, so that was the deal.
My 992 S has PASM / PDCC / RWS and doesn't ride as good as the Macan S with air , But that's a different vehicle.
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#14
I have to disagree with that statement. Went we went shopping for my wife's SQ5 replacement, we drove three Macan's back to back. All 2020's. This was her ride, I'd have automatically bought the Turbo if it was for me!
First Test was a 2020 Turbo with Air Ride. fantastic and very, very quick. Loved the standard Surface Coated Brakes. $ 90K. Winner
Next Drive was a fully loaded Macan S with Air Ride. Very nice, very smooth and stable. Quick enough $ 72K (we bought this one)
Last drive was a stripper Macan S with almost no options, it crashed over the bumps and expansion joints, the interior felt cheap. $ 54K as I recall.
We went back and forth between the S with Air and Turbo models, they wer offering 7% off on the Turbo, 12% off on the S, so that was the deal.
My 992 S has PASM / PDCC / RWS and doesn't ride as good as the Macan S with air , But that's a different vehicle.
First Test was a 2020 Turbo with Air Ride. fantastic and very, very quick. Loved the standard Surface Coated Brakes. $ 90K. Winner
Next Drive was a fully loaded Macan S with Air Ride. Very nice, very smooth and stable. Quick enough $ 72K (we bought this one)
Last drive was a stripper Macan S with almost no options, it crashed over the bumps and expansion joints, the interior felt cheap. $ 54K as I recall.
We went back and forth between the S with Air and Turbo models, they wer offering 7% off on the Turbo, 12% off on the S, so that was the deal.
My 992 S has PASM / PDCC / RWS and doesn't ride as good as the Macan S with air , But that's a different vehicle.
My 991.2 C2S has SPASM (10mm lower than normal PASM for anyone unfamiliar with 911 parlance) and RWS (rear wheel steering), and yeah the ride is surprisingly good for a sports car with even sportier suspension, but very compromised compared to the Macan. To the point where I don't like bringing coffee in my 911 (but I still do it, it is a car after all).
Here's my build sheet for reference:
https://vinanalytics.com/car/WP1AB2A57LLB34106/
#15
I went from an S with PASM to a Turbo with Air, and find nothing "floaty" about Air suspension.
The lower CG at the lowest height setting definitely ups cornering performance, just as SPASM does in any 991.
The lower CG at the lowest height setting definitely ups cornering performance, just as SPASM does in any 991.
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