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Not totally related, but I just replaced the 20" Pirelli Scorpion Verde A/S (N rated) on 2016 Macan S.. After 30K mostly highway miles the tread was at 5/32. Even tho I could have squeezed a few extra miles out of them, the road noise was really bad. For a while I thought I had a bad wheel bearing.
We just gave our 2010 M-B E350 to our grandsons. It has had Pirelli P Zero Nero's from O.E until now. As each set got close to the wear marks, they began to feel as though a wheel was bent. Run-out testing showed they were NOT. Had1 set of Pirelli's.OE on both my 993 and 991. Sold the 993. The 991 now wears Michelin PS 4S's. Mac has Pirelli Scorpion Verde's. I'll be curious how they perform and last. Bought my first set of Pirelli'e in 1965. Put Cinturatos on my Corvair Spyder. Had them on many different cars between the Corvair and the Mac. I used to like them. But, not after the experience on the M-B.
Reviving this tire thread, as I have put > 7K miles on my set of Michelin Alpin dedicated winter tires.
First 1000 miles was on the "Powder Highway" in British Columbia last January/February. Flawless performance in severe winter conditions.
Put my 2018 Macan GTS in storage with those tires on it until last September (6 months). Had a family emergency in Minnesota, so drove from Portland, Oregon (1700 miles) all highway miles. Tires did not overheat: pressures rose from 33 front/ 36 rear cold to 36 front/ 39 rear while averaging over 90 mph for > 2 hours:
The N spec Michelins do not feel like, to me, much of a compromise on dry pavement, and probably outperform all season tires at low temps on dry pavement and definitely best them in snow.
I just drove up and over Flagstaff Mountain road above Boulder, Colorado last week. The road climbs from 5288' to over 9000'. It was recently plowed and extensively sanded (especially the switchbacks). Its variable conditions were a great test of the Alpins.
The Macan's PTV and PSE were on full display during the drive- what a cool CUV it is. I would not have been as confident in my RWD 997 GTS, even on winter tires.
This video is 17 minutes long, so skip to the second half (with the sun at my back on the return section) for the most interesting part.
My 2017 Macan (21K miles) still has the original OEM 21" PZeros on it, but the tread is getting low so just started looking at new Michelins.
I was surprised to see that there are options for PS4Ss (which I also have on my 2010 C4S -- and the performance and ride quality is just incredible)....but I also see that Michelin also offers a PS4 SUV tire.
On TireRack, the PS4S tires appear to outperform the PS4 SUV tire in several categories (except price ...so leaning towards the PS4S option.
Had Michelin PS4S tires mounted and road force balanced today. RRT located in northern VA never disappoints! Ride quality Is substantially better than OEM PZeros.
I went from PZero to PS4S on my 981 GTS, and expect to do the same with my Macan GTS once the Pzeros are done. On the 981, they rode better (softer), had much better cold and wet weather grip, and were much quieter. Dry drip was as good if not better. No downsides. If the SUV tire is the same, the PS4S is easily the better tire.
Plus one on This^
I have also run a dedicated summer & winter wheel/tire sets on my vehicles since 2007. But stretching the Pilot Sports deep into fall with good grip is easy. My P Zero experience also ended with a delaminated sidewall so take it with a grain of salt.
I can't comment about Pzero's, but I will comment about the Michelins. I just replaced the original Continental all-season tires at 28k miles on my 2018 Macan Base with Michelin Latitude Tour HP all seasons (https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...titude+Tour+HP). The ride with the Michelins is night and day better. The Continentals make the Macan feel like a truck in comparison.
Of course, it's never a completely fair comparison when the old tires are worn and have 28k miles on them, but the improvement with the Michelins is so great that I have no doubt they are superior to the Continentals. The Michelins also have a 55k mile warranty (pro-rated replacement cost if they wear out sooner) -- if they get anywhere remotely close to that, I'll be thrilled. Actually, I'm already thrilled with just the driving improvement.
I have never owned a set of any Pirelli tire that I like. I have had mixed results with Continental, they always seem to wear out 10K miles before I expect them to. Michelins never seem to let me down.
I was planning on putting Pilot Sport 4 S tires on my Macan S but was surprised to see they are not available in the 20” wheel size. I can’t seem to figure out why they are not available in the 265/45R20 and 295/40R20 sizes.
I was planning on putting Pilot Sport 4 S tires on my Macan S but was surprised to see they are not available in the 20” wheel size. I can’t seem to figure out why they are not available in the 265/45R20 and 295/40R20 sizes.
Apparently Michelin is no longer producing the Pilot Sport 4S size 295/40-20. In doing research earlier this year I recall finding the 4S available for the Macan with 20" wheels. Today I even did a search of Michelin's websites outside the U.S. At this point it would appear that the best Michelin option is the Pilot Sport 4 SUV if staying with the stock sizes. Another possibility if one set on fitting the 4S to their Macan would be deviate from the OEM sizes. As long as the revs per mile are reasonably close front and rear there should not problem.
My understanding is that revs per mile need to match front to rear. The OEM tire sizes show 708/710 revs per mile. A wider cross section along with a lower profile may change the revs per mile which should not be a problem if they remain relatively close front to rear. The primary benefit with a wider cross section and lower profile summer tire is that it should result in higher cornering speeds if that is what one is looking to obtain.
09-20-2020, 05:47 PM
