GT4 RS in the works? Rumors of a 4.0...
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Pricing aside, I like what I am hearing if all this news comes to fruition. A GT4RS and the 991.2 GT3 with 4.0L, 500 plus HP, and a Manual. Add to that the GT2RS and will be interesting to see the direction the next RS iteration will go.
As a car enthusiast I am loving what I am hearing.
As a car enthusiast I am loving what I am hearing.
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Porsche is not giving these things away as it is - don't encourage them to squeeze us even more...
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Revving this motor to 8k would provide no benefit over the old 3.8L X51 motor which was more reliable and far less expensive to make. Would be foolish for Porsche to provide a finicky GT motor when they have the X51 for half the cost.
Both motors are now out of production, so no easier to revive one over the other...
Also if you only rev the next GT4 to 8k rpm, then you'll be stuck with the same gearing (unless you opt for PDK-S).
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I think you're missing 'Hybrid' in the future lineup. The next gen chassis is being designed with 'Hybrid' in mind. Plus, the 918 (investment) technology will make it to the GT lineup.
It wouldn't surprise me if the new GT2 introduces 'Hybrid - electric motors/batts'
Some other significant things:
996 GT - PCCBs
997.2 GT - Center Locks, e-Mounts
991.1 GT - All-wheel steering
It wouldn't surprise me if the new GT2 introduces 'Hybrid - electric motors/batts'
Some other significant things:
996 GT - PCCBs
997.2 GT - Center Locks, e-Mounts
991.1 GT - All-wheel steering
Who says it has to be called a "GT4 RS"? ![Cool](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/cool.gif)
We can step back and see how a confluence of conditions fit together, then maybe we can see how Porsche might choose to go forward. There's also history, which can be (but may not be) useful.
Fwiw, I'd map it out this way:
993 GT road car and race cars (GT2 only, unless GT1 counts)
996-1 GT road car and race cars (new chassis, new model, old engine)
996-2 GT road cars and race cars (RS added)
997-1 GT road cars and race cars ("electronic era" begins)
997-2 GT road cars and race cars (displacement bump x2, GT2 RS debuts)
991-1 GT road cars and race cars (PDK switch, save the R; no GT2)
981-1 GT road car and race cars (back to MT, smash hit)
991-2 GT road cars and race cars (back to MT, possibly as an option; GT2 returns)
982 GT road car(s) and race cars (MT and PDK? plain GT4 only?)
992-1 GT road cars and race cars (turbo across the GT line needed?)
994-1 (?)
984-1 (?)
The 981-1 GT4 reminds me of the 996-1 GT3 in that it's a true beginning, and because it's something of a holdout (996 GT3 = GT1 flat six, 981 GT4 = NA vs turbocharged model lineup). Of course, there are differences, too.
Consider the pricing trend, too, with 996-2 GT3 at $99k and steadily growing to surpass $130k with the 991 GT3 and much more than that for the RS and R. Porsche had no problem selling any of them—and watched speculators descend. Add in the separation difficulties created by 991-2 turbo and 982 turbo torque, and it only gets more interesting. The girls and boys at Weissach are no dummies; maybe they'll do a "GT4R" with PDK only next time, then offer a vanilla GT4 with MT only next time—much like Mercedes does a great looking E-Class then an ugly one, then a great one, then an ugly one.![Stick Out Tongue](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
Model separation for 991-2 and 982 has to be considered, as does Porsche Motorsport's model offerings and customer racing needs/goals. With the GT4 category set to shake things up, the 981-1 GT4 came along at a good time for more than those who got the street car. Porsche has its bases covered...but what about that lucrative GT3 Cup series?
As for 981-1 GT4 resale values, who cares? I doubt the bottom will drop out, and that's all that really matters to me. Anything else that happens is gravy, as the car offers stunning value for money. And so I'd rather add miles than polish. YMMV!
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We can step back and see how a confluence of conditions fit together, then maybe we can see how Porsche might choose to go forward. There's also history, which can be (but may not be) useful.
Fwiw, I'd map it out this way:
993 GT road car and race cars (GT2 only, unless GT1 counts)
996-1 GT road car and race cars (new chassis, new model, old engine)
996-2 GT road cars and race cars (RS added)
997-1 GT road cars and race cars ("electronic era" begins)
997-2 GT road cars and race cars (displacement bump x2, GT2 RS debuts)
991-1 GT road cars and race cars (PDK switch, save the R; no GT2)
981-1 GT road car and race cars (back to MT, smash hit)
991-2 GT road cars and race cars (back to MT, possibly as an option; GT2 returns)
982 GT road car(s) and race cars (MT and PDK? plain GT4 only?)
992-1 GT road cars and race cars (turbo across the GT line needed?)
994-1 (?)
984-1 (?)
The 981-1 GT4 reminds me of the 996-1 GT3 in that it's a true beginning, and because it's something of a holdout (996 GT3 = GT1 flat six, 981 GT4 = NA vs turbocharged model lineup). Of course, there are differences, too.
Consider the pricing trend, too, with 996-2 GT3 at $99k and steadily growing to surpass $130k with the 991 GT3 and much more than that for the RS and R. Porsche had no problem selling any of them—and watched speculators descend. Add in the separation difficulties created by 991-2 turbo and 982 turbo torque, and it only gets more interesting. The girls and boys at Weissach are no dummies; maybe they'll do a "GT4R" with PDK only next time, then offer a vanilla GT4 with MT only next time—much like Mercedes does a great looking E-Class then an ugly one, then a great one, then an ugly one.
![Stick Out Tongue](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
Model separation for 991-2 and 982 has to be considered, as does Porsche Motorsport's model offerings and customer racing needs/goals. With the GT4 category set to shake things up, the 981-1 GT4 came along at a good time for more than those who got the street car. Porsche has its bases covered...but what about that lucrative GT3 Cup series?
As for 981-1 GT4 resale values, who cares? I doubt the bottom will drop out, and that's all that really matters to me. Anything else that happens is gravy, as the car offers stunning value for money. And so I'd rather add miles than polish. YMMV!
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I don't see them ever changing the 911 to mid engine.
Who knows if they ever come out with a mid engine 960 to slot below the hypercars, however.
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Originally Posted by GrantG
The whole purpose of the GT3 3.8L motor is to rev to 9k. That is the reason for the finger-follower cams (which is also the source of much of the unreliability) and Titanium conrods. And that is the reason this motor makes more power than the Carrrera 3.8L.
Revving this motor to 8k would provide no benefit over the old 3.8L X51 motor which was more reliable and far less expensive to make. Would be foolish for Porsche to provide a finicky GT motor when they have the X51 for half the cost.
Both motors are now out of production, so no easier to revive one over the other...
Also if you only rev the next GT4 to 8k rpm, then you'll be stuck with the same gearing (unless you opt for PDK-S).
Revving this motor to 8k would provide no benefit over the old 3.8L X51 motor which was more reliable and far less expensive to make. Would be foolish for Porsche to provide a finicky GT motor when they have the X51 for half the cost.
Both motors are now out of production, so no easier to revive one over the other...
Also if you only rev the next GT4 to 8k rpm, then you'll be stuck with the same gearing (unless you opt for PDK-S).
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^No doubt -completely different engine and experience.
But do not get me no wrong- X51 no slouch but this new engine when/if/if they did get the issues sorted out they have a world class engine/beater. The problem is FI engines are getting so much more torque and hp that it is like sort of late to the party but i still prefer NA and willing to give up 100 ponies
But do not get me no wrong- X51 no slouch but this new engine when/if/if they did get the issues sorted out they have a world class engine/beater. The problem is FI engines are getting so much more torque and hp that it is like sort of late to the party but i still prefer NA and willing to give up 100 ponies
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Much of the GT3 motor' character is revealed by the low gearing that can be used with a 9k motor, but your point about the way in which the GT3 motor feels is well taken.
Last edited by GrantG; 01-20-2017 at 01:16 AM.