GT4 RS in the works? Rumors of a 4.0...
06-29-2017, 03:41 PM
#436
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Originally Posted by NoGaBiker
^^ Except the "existing engine" doesn't exist anymore. Suddenly it would be a bespoke, stand-alone engine made exclusively for the GT4. Not to say they "couldn't" but I dunno... it doesn't feel like the formula for this car.
I hate to say it, but what feels like the solution is a detuned 400hp turbo 3.0 from the Carrera S. Competitive horsepower for the class, off-the-shelf engine, a nod towards "legitimizing" the mainstream turbo engines by using one in a Motorsports Div. car.
Not dissimilar to BMW's M path, where for years it wasn't an M unless it used a hand-built I6 bespoke engine. Then they started allowing some of the M cars to have a regular off-the-line BMW engine, but one that was larger than what you could otherwise get for that series of car. And of course, before long turbos were all the rage.
If this happens in Zuffenhausen, look for a 2020 GTX Cayenne Turbo.
I hate to say it, but what feels like the solution is a detuned 400hp turbo 3.0 from the Carrera S. Competitive horsepower for the class, off-the-shelf engine, a nod towards "legitimizing" the mainstream turbo engines by using one in a Motorsports Div. car.
Not dissimilar to BMW's M path, where for years it wasn't an M unless it used a hand-built I6 bespoke engine. Then they started allowing some of the M cars to have a regular off-the-line BMW engine, but one that was larger than what you could otherwise get for that series of car. And of course, before long turbos were all the rage.
If this happens in Zuffenhausen, look for a 2020 GTX Cayenne Turbo.
The only options existing today in the lineup are a higher power/more boosted 4 cylinder, or a lower revving/detuned 4.0 from GT3.
how long ago
06-29-2017, 04:08 PM
#438
Drifting
06-29-2017, 06:33 PM
#439
b) some version of the holdover 9A1 3.8. If it was still in production this would be simple -- jack the X51 atop it, make it fit in the engine bay (I know AP said the standard 911 intake wouldn't fit, much less the X51. But c'mon, really? Or was that misdirection to excuse the 385 number? Also, what's to keep them from raising the engine cover a little bit? They managed to reengineer the whole front end for 981 GT4, surely a little repackaging of the engine space could be accomplished.) However, the whole problem with this solution is: there is no line currently making the 9A1 and are you really going to start up a new engine line for the GT4? Doubt it. But this is the solution I'd like best...
So a NA version of the Trubo's 3.8 engine might be another possibility.
06-29-2017, 06:47 PM
#440
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There would be many parts changes required for that - turbo motor's internals are very different than NA with much lower compression ratio, pistons, camshafts, etc...
06-29-2017, 07:51 PM
#442
Drifting
6 fits, yes. But I think most people are saying, "there's not an NA 6 anymore other than GT3 4.0, and the turbo 6 doesn't fit." I don't know that to be the case, but it seems reasonable that the 6 and twin turbo plumbing wouldn't fit.
Do you disagree? Do you think/know that the 9A2 turbo would fit?
Do you disagree? Do you think/know that the 9A2 turbo would fit?
06-29-2017, 08:29 PM
#443
Remember this too -- I heard several interviews with AP after 991.1 GT3 came out saying ADAMANTLY that there would be no 6M GT3, and for people to get over it. The car is being built to be as fast as possible and that's what PDK does. Now they have completely reversed course. Which is not necessarily analogous to the current 718 GT4 situation, but does provide a look at statements made by Preuninger himself that were contradicted in short order by the actions of Motorsports Div.
One thing is changing from PDK to Manual and another having various engines in the lineup and making them fit. The "transmission correction" on the 991.2 GT3 by the motorsport department was a piece of cake and probably was always considered from the beginning. In case you haven't seen it, a RL member is actually changing his 991.1 GT3 RS from PDK to Manual using the 911R pieces...really awesome work! Check it on the GT3/GT3RS/911R forum.
It wouldn't surprise me if PAG knew what engine would go on the next GT4 from the launch of the original GT4, thus making sure all parts are available down the line. I think on the original AP interview by EVO he mentioned about GT cars remaining N/A for the next couple of versions as that is what the GT customers want and the numbers are low.
06-29-2017, 08:30 PM
#444
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Originally Posted by NoGaBiker
And had you read on you'd see that I acknowledged this fact and moved on to a new position. But thanks for the condescending correction.
Sincerely,
#forumenforcer #takenoprisoners #hashtag
06-29-2017, 09:27 PM
#446
Drifting
Well, for the record I average just under two mistakes per year, so don't be surprised if I make another sometime in the second half. (Although it does seem unlikely that both of my errors this year would be on Rennlist.)
06-29-2017, 10:05 PM
#447
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i used to live in midtown by the way.. virginia highlands.. and i WAS a no.ga.biker.. miss those roads.
06-29-2017, 10:09 PM
#448
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06-29-2017, 10:50 PM
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6 fits, yes. But I think most people are saying, "there's not an NA 6 anymore other than GT3 4.0, and the turbo 6 doesn't fit." I don't know that to be the case, but it seems reasonable that the 6 and twin turbo plumbing wouldn't fit.
Do you disagree? Do you think/know that the 9A2 turbo would fit?
Do you disagree? Do you think/know that the 9A2 turbo would fit?
However, I know the cleaning lady at porsche and she has already seen the car.
She will not tell me anything else other then that she has seen it and it is coming sometime next year.
She said the engine is not what the internet/journalists assumes it will be.
My question is what does the internet/journalists think it will be? i have no idea what the general consensus is.
I sure hope it is a home run as the GT4 racing class around the world could use a nice step up to match the competiton this time around.
06-30-2017, 02:21 AM
#450
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Originally Posted by tcsracing1
I agree. I already know the 6 turbo will not fit from the carrera.
However, I know the cleaning lady at porsche and she has already seen the car.
She will not tell me anything else other then that she has seen it and it is coming sometime next year.
She said the engine is not what the internet/journalists assumes it will be.
My question is what does the internet/journalists think it will be? i have no idea what the general consensus is.
I sure hope it is a home run as the GT4 racing class around the world could use a nice step up to match the competiton this time around.
However, I know the cleaning lady at porsche and she has already seen the car.
She will not tell me anything else other then that she has seen it and it is coming sometime next year.
She said the engine is not what the internet/journalists assumes it will be.
My question is what does the internet/journalists think it will be? i have no idea what the general consensus is.
I sure hope it is a home run as the GT4 racing class around the world could use a nice step up to match the competiton this time around.