mrd_spy

No I still stand by both my comments, 991 GT3 is easier (it's PDK only so goes hand in hand) and also you get closer to pro lap time (because it is easier) it's a simple statement :-) no back pedaling involved.

If you think going from -1 to -3.5 camber gains no time and is just about saving tyres , well that's a whole new thread chat.

orthojoe

Do you own a gt3? I own both a 4 and a 3. It's not easier. It's easy to bench race.

I don't run -3.5 camber on any car. If you think alignment on these cars buys you more than a second at most, I've got a bridge to sell you. There are plenty of real drivers and enough real world time with the car has passed that have shown alignment changes on the gt3 have no big improvement in times. Alignments have larger improvements on other brands and cars, but GT cars have been proven to do well out of the box.

I'm way OT at this point. I'll just shut up about this at this point.

Back to the topic on hand: RS. Doesn't look like it's happening this time around. I'll be fine with a GT4 with 4.0L engine but no RS moniker, though!

Mech33

I've owned both a 991 GT3 and a GT4 and have driven both extensively on track, and I found it much easier to extract a larger percentage of the car's max performance with the GT4.

This seems obvious, though: the faster / more capable the car, the more you need to increase your speeds to take advantage of it, giving you less margin of error for braking zones, turn-in speeds, etc., forcing you to be a better overall driver to drive each at 9/10ths.

Here's a more intuitive example: do you think it's easier to drive a Spec Miata at 9/10ths? They're approaching corners so much slower with less traction issues on exit that you have way more time to think, carefully brake at the proper points, etc.

IMO it is much harder to drive a fast car quickly than a slow car quickly (by relative measure).

supercup

Components to meet demand is a valid concern for Porsche to address. However in this case "cannibalize" existing market or not meeting sales due to "overlapping" with other products is simply not an issue. They have not been able to meet demand for the GT3, GT3RS and GT4 - that is the the issue they face and need to address!

The thread "McClaren Success" on the GT3 forum (link below) is something Porsche should take note of for sure - pushing off your GT Customers to McClaren because you can't meet demand is only hurting Porsche and they may like McClaren so much they don't come back, and then your bottom two suggestions will become a much bigger issue to deal with!

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...n-success.html

Its one thing to move your customers around your product line, but something entirely different to lose them altogether because you are not delivering what they want.

ExMB

Min price of McLaren versus max price of GT3RS; MSRP only please.

You are talking completely different markets here.

Apples and Oranges.

Beantown Kman

When are you going to learn that Orthojoe is ALWAYS right? Always.

d00d

The 570S base is ~185K, GT3 RS base was ~175K.
To me the former is ugly, although some may be able to stand it, and the latter has wrong engine placement.

supercup

Different fruit for sure, but if you can afford one - you can likely afford the other and as noted in the thread a number are looking at McLaren, because they "can't" get the GT car they want! That is a lost sale and maybe a lost customer!

ExMB

This post is called a secondary. One by the same person citing another source only known by them is NOT a secondary.

ExMB

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jmartpr

My post was if they actually build the GT4 RS.....the current Porsche models you mention all fall in a specific bracket in PAGs strategy. A GT4RS would be very close to a GT3 in terms of pricing....unless they dilute the RS treatment on the GT4 considerably so if falls right between GT4 and GT3....

mrd_spy

this is also very true, the GT4 is easier to a point and why people like them so much as most people are not Pro's and getting 100% from the car will never happen, once at 100% they are both the same though, then you add in automatic and the GT4 is then harder to match a pro's time vs a manual. you can really take the **** in a PDK car, you can also trail loads easier etc etc,, GT4 at 100% is much harder to drive. A GT3 is different and for a noob harder to master, hence why loads of people say the GT3 is a "mans" car , it's bull**** of course :-) put a GT3 driver in a manual GT4 and watch his time drop like a stone !

people can disagree and argue a point, but it's only a forum and that's my view after loads of time spent on track and with people who can only drive at 80% but love PDK as it gets them to 90% gaining that last 10% are the good driver the last 2% are the pro's

mrd_spy

I'm running -3.2 was your quote, -3.2/3.5 lol picking hairs now that's still over double the oem set up ! but no timed gained right you are.

My G meter reading and apex speeds are up over my oem set up !

I still find it hard you think a automatic even though it's in the GT3 is harder to drive than the Manual GT4

see my post above :-) it is to a point maybe you are not getting 100% out of the GT4 yet ;-p , well which is true as you are slower than a pro in a stock car

I have noticed on your vids maybe a trail more to apex would help, (a tad more rotation), you do lean on the camber 100% and hence why you were killing tyres oem.
You must have gained a fair bit of time going from -1.5 to -3.2 due to your style of driving and how much you do act lean on the available Camber.
A racing driver seems to overcome the GT4 understeering shortcoming with more trail I have noticed. where I have noticed you brake less and hoof it in , your cars seem to understeer into the bend than lean on the full camber, rather than rotating the car into a bend.
This is why you are a tad more slower than a pro in the GT3 and view it the way you do, as not trailing enough will make the GT3 slower than the pro more so as even more rotation is needed. again hence why the GT4 is easier to a point of 95% of a time for most people.

RealityGT

^Are you a pro racing driver? what series do you compete in?

Yargk

Even pro drivers are 1. not created equal and 2. take time to get to know a car, so the fastest lap might not happen in the first day. I think the 991 GT3 factory 'ring time is 7:25 and sport auto's time was 7:32. While the factory waved their hands and said about 7:40 for the GT4, while sport auto got 7:42. Seems like even sport auto gets closer to the theoretical best time with the GT4.