GT4 RS in the works? Rumors of a 4.0...
01-18-2017 | 11:19 AM
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Assuming the GTS is released, how much bigger a turbo can they put into a GT4 before lag becomes a problem? Especially on a performance car like the GT4. Anti-lag and fancy computer tricks can only do so much, I would think
01-18-2017 | 11:46 AM
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Since we're speculating.....
As popular as the first run of the GT4 was, I can't imagine Porsche not producing another run. I'm in the camp of it having not much more than 10% more power. One of the reasons it was so popular was the manual tranny, so I would expect it to retain that also, with no PDK option. I would expect a base car MSRP of about $100k to $105k because I think Porsche realizes the 2016 GT4s were underpriced for the market.
Having said that, I can easily imagine a GT4 RS, but the struggle with that car is where it would fit within the other GT cars in production, both price-wise and performance-wise. If there is a GT4 RS, I would expect it to have a full-up GT motor, 9k RPM redline and all, and PDK.
As popular as the first run of the GT4 was, I can't imagine Porsche not producing another run. I'm in the camp of it having not much more than 10% more power. One of the reasons it was so popular was the manual tranny, so I would expect it to retain that also, with no PDK option. I would expect a base car MSRP of about $100k to $105k because I think Porsche realizes the 2016 GT4s were underpriced for the market.
Having said that, I can easily imagine a GT4 RS, but the struggle with that car is where it would fit within the other GT cars in production, both price-wise and performance-wise. If there is a GT4 RS, I would expect it to have a full-up GT motor, 9k RPM redline and all, and PDK.
01-18-2017 | 12:09 PM
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Since we're speculating.....
As popular as the first run of the GT4 was, I can't imagine Porsche not producing another run. I'm in the camp of it having not much more than 10% more power. One of the reasons it was so popular was the manual tranny, so I would expect it to retain that also, with no PDK option. I would expect a base car MSRP of about $100k to $105k because I think Porsche realizes the 2016 GT4s were underpriced for the market.
Having said that, I can easily imagine a GT4 RS, but the struggle with that car is where it would fit within the other GT cars in production, both price-wise and performance-wise. If there is a GT4 RS, I would expect it to have a full-up GT motor, 9k RPM redline and all, and PDK.
As popular as the first run of the GT4 was, I can't imagine Porsche not producing another run. I'm in the camp of it having not much more than 10% more power. One of the reasons it was so popular was the manual tranny, so I would expect it to retain that also, with no PDK option. I would expect a base car MSRP of about $100k to $105k because I think Porsche realizes the 2016 GT4s were underpriced for the market.
Having said that, I can easily imagine a GT4 RS, but the struggle with that car is where it would fit within the other GT cars in production, both price-wise and performance-wise. If there is a GT4 RS, I would expect it to have a full-up GT motor, 9k RPM redline and all, and PDK.
If the new GT3 gets a redline of 8,500 rpm (same as 911R), then a potential GT4RS would likely be there or possibly lower (since going to be significantly less power than GT3). Hopefully detuning won't come primarily from lowering redline, as the relatively low redline in the last GT4 (and only 6 gears) was the reason for the tall gears.
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01-18-2017 | 02:31 PM
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01-18-2017 | 02:47 PM
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The new 991.2 GTS with 450hp and oodles of torque is probably going to destroy the next GT3 in a straight-line once you add a tune. If the next GT4 stays NA, I bet it will be similarly close to the GTS.
This smells like the transition BMW made to turbos when it had the e90 in M form with a NA v8 and the non-M 335 turbo 6 which was faster in a straight-line with a tune. If the same holds true, this is temporary and the next gen of GT cars will be turbod/hybridized to reestablish the performance gap....
This smells like the transition BMW made to turbos when it had the e90 in M form with a NA v8 and the non-M 335 turbo 6 which was faster in a straight-line with a tune. If the same holds true, this is temporary and the next gen of GT cars will be turbod/hybridized to reestablish the performance gap....
01-18-2017 | 03:07 PM
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Figured this was the way the wind was blowing since late 2015 and have consequently had a deposit down on the next GT4 since March '16.
Excited to see more, and enjoying my current one in the meantime.
Excited to see more, and enjoying my current one in the meantime.
01-18-2017 | 03:55 PM
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Current GT4 would be a beast with headers, a tune, and a new set of gears built around an idealized 2nd gear. Add more tire and things would get ugly for GT3s as well as the next GT4.
FWIW, I've heard from several sources that next GT4 may indeed get a 4.0-liter GT3 engine along with a big price jump. That makes sense, as Porsche isn't doing a range of NA engines anymore, and the twin-turbo 3.0 supposedly won't fit...but it's hard to make a 4.0 GT3-based engine fit into Porsche's usual strategy for model differentiation and evolution. Do they detune the 4.0 to 450 hp? 420? Color me a little bit skeptical. Then again, if the price jump is big enough, all bets are off. My guess then is that the GT3 as we've known it gets a lot more expensive and/or ultimately goes away (to be replaced by a new "GT2"), or that something else is brewing. How all this mixes into the motorsport menu is critical, as well.
Me? I wouldn't mind a 3.4-liter derivative of the GT3 engine in a GT4—so long as its character is like the engine in the 981-1 GTS...on acid, with a 8800+ redline. The chassis is crying out for something unhinged in the engine compartment. Then again, a 3.4 or 3.6 or 3.8 would require a separate engine, or at least separate pistons/etc, and high revs come at a cost...
It will be very interesting to see what Porsche does with the GT4.
FWIW, I've heard from several sources that next GT4 may indeed get a 4.0-liter GT3 engine along with a big price jump. That makes sense, as Porsche isn't doing a range of NA engines anymore, and the twin-turbo 3.0 supposedly won't fit...but it's hard to make a 4.0 GT3-based engine fit into Porsche's usual strategy for model differentiation and evolution. Do they detune the 4.0 to 450 hp? 420? Color me a little bit skeptical. Then again, if the price jump is big enough, all bets are off. My guess then is that the GT3 as we've known it gets a lot more expensive and/or ultimately goes away (to be replaced by a new "GT2"), or that something else is brewing. How all this mixes into the motorsport menu is critical, as well.
Me? I wouldn't mind a 3.4-liter derivative of the GT3 engine in a GT4—so long as its character is like the engine in the 981-1 GTS...on acid, with a 8800+ redline. The chassis is crying out for something unhinged in the engine compartment. Then again, a 3.4 or 3.6 or 3.8 would require a separate engine, or at least separate pistons/etc, and high revs come at a cost...
It will be very interesting to see what Porsche does with the GT4.
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