How high would you go?
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Most of the people here saying they won't pay a cent over MSRP blah blah blah is only saying that because they aren't in OP's situation. Their opinions are worthless IMO. If those guys don't have an allocation, I am sure they would change their tune.
I guess the question is how much is the car worth to you, OP? The way I see it, I dont see any car that can perform the same level or better than the GT4 for under 100-130k (IE: prestine 997.2 GT3 & 991 GT3). So if it were me, I'd pay may be 10k over MSRP of $85k+. Another thing to consider is that I don't think Porshce is done giving out allocations yet. We haven't heard anyone with 2016 production dates. What I would do if i were you is call as many dealers as possible to get on the wait list and hope for the best. There will always be dealers selling allocations for $10-20k extra, so no sense in jumping on those deals yet.
I guess the question is how much is the car worth to you, OP? The way I see it, I dont see any car that can perform the same level or better than the GT4 for under 100-130k (IE: prestine 997.2 GT3 & 991 GT3). So if it were me, I'd pay may be 10k over MSRP of $85k+. Another thing to consider is that I don't think Porshce is done giving out allocations yet. We haven't heard anyone with 2016 production dates. What I would do if i were you is call as many dealers as possible to get on the wait list and hope for the best. There will always be dealers selling allocations for $10-20k extra, so no sense in jumping on those deals yet.
If someone wants to sell me a GT4 for 10K over MSRP, then it sure as hell needs to have the missing 15+ HP from the 991 S engine.
My own personal mistake was trusting that PCNA and the dealers that I have worked with would treat me with respect and do the right thing given that I am a repeat customer.
Lesson learned, next P-car that i am interested in purchasing I will call 10 dealers and leave a 1K deposit on each and see what sticks and game the system. (This seems to be what PCNA wants people to do given the lack of direct communication from their end)
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I would not pay a cent over MSRP.
If someone wants to sell me a GT4 for 10K over MSRP, then it sure as hell needs to have the missing 15+ HP from the 991 S engine.
My own personal mistake was trusting that PCNA and the dealers that I have worked with would treat me with respect and do the right thing given that I am a repeat customer.
Lesson learned, next P-car that i am interested in purchasing I will call 10 dealers and leave a 1K deposit on each and see what sticks and game the system. (This seems to be what PCNA wants people to do given the lack of direct communication from their end)
If someone wants to sell me a GT4 for 10K over MSRP, then it sure as hell needs to have the missing 15+ HP from the 991 S engine.
My own personal mistake was trusting that PCNA and the dealers that I have worked with would treat me with respect and do the right thing given that I am a repeat customer.
Lesson learned, next P-car that i am interested in purchasing I will call 10 dealers and leave a 1K deposit on each and see what sticks and game the system. (This seems to be what PCNA wants people to do given the lack of direct communication from their end)
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A dealer asking MSRP is no more greedy than a buyer asking for a 10% discount. Actually if I owned a dealership, I'd have to have a long talk with my sales manager if I found out that he was offering discounts on GT4s. On the other hand I would never ask more than MSRP, since that practice in my view harms the reputation of the dealership.
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Zero. I paid a couple grand over for my 1M, but I regret it. Not because it wasn't a good financial decision- I couldn't have bought another new car that would have done better. Instead I feel paying over screws other enthusiasts, meaning everyone else here. It encourages dealers to order loaded spec cars with options no one wants, depriving real cars guys of the cars manufacturers try to make for them and that they deserve.
Both the dealer and salesman are doing very well at MSRP. I won't buy another car over MSRP, nor will I buy from any dealer that tries to charge over for a new car. If that means I miss out that's ok- there will be more. $.02.
Both the dealer and salesman are doing very well at MSRP. I won't buy another car over MSRP, nor will I buy from any dealer that tries to charge over for a new car. If that means I miss out that's ok- there will be more. $.02.
I could not have said it better, myself.
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I have never paid over MSRP and don't plan to in the future. I also have no issue with a dealer charging whatever they want or whatever the market will bear. They have millions tied up in the infastructure of their business and have every right to run it anyway they want.
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How high would you go?
I would love to find a GT4 at MSRP... Was offered an allocation at over MSRP that I took... Did some due diligence right after putting in my deposit by contacting over 20 dealers all over the U.S. asking if they had any allocation available. All said no and were not likely to get enough to even fulfill their current wait list. Allocations seem very tight here in the U.S. Yes, I am paying over MSRP but getting a car I really wanted and in the end the price I am paying still seems like a great value for the car I will get.
If anyone knows how to get one at MSRP in the U.S. please PM me.
David
If anyone knows how to get one at MSRP in the U.S. please PM me.
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Just wait. GT3s were going for well over early in the production run too. By the end there were lots of threads here with cars available at MSRP. Alternately there are a few brokers that will find one for MSRP for a ~$500 fee, but you will need to wait a while.
Even RS 4.0s were going for MSRP towards the end of the run- they had trouble selling through believe it or not. Guys that have been around a while have seen this movie before, and it's up to you if you need an early car or get caught up in the hype.
You saw my thoughts re paying over above. If you'd like to post the dealer name I'd appreciate it so I can take them off my list.
Even RS 4.0s were going for MSRP towards the end of the run- they had trouble selling through believe it or not. Guys that have been around a while have seen this movie before, and it's up to you if you need an early car or get caught up in the hype.
You saw my thoughts re paying over above. If you'd like to post the dealer name I'd appreciate it so I can take them off my list.
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I think part of my problem is that there is a lot of uncertainty... the new engine designs being turbo may impact a second year release for the NA GT4 since it uses the Carrera S motor which will be changing to a turbo design. I guess the timing of the Cayman / Carrera .2 versions being so close has me second guessing how long I could afford to wait and still get the car I really want.
When I was asking at the 20 plus dealers for a GT4 I also asked about how many allocations they had received to date and how long their wait list was... it was typically a 4x to 10x difference in the negative. Another reason I bit the bullet just to get an order in even at a price over MSRP.
I wish I had a way to just pay MSRP, but I have not been successful to date.
David
When I was asking at the 20 plus dealers for a GT4 I also asked about how many allocations they had received to date and how long their wait list was... it was typically a 4x to 10x difference in the negative. Another reason I bit the bullet just to get an order in even at a price over MSRP.
I wish I had a way to just pay MSRP, but I have not been successful to date.
David
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I think part of my problem is that there is a lot of uncertainty... the new engine designs being turbo may impact a second year release for the NA GT4 since it uses the Carrera S motor which will be changing to a turbo design. I guess the timing of the Cayman / Carrera .2 versions being so close has me second guessing how long I could afford to wait and still get the car I really want.
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I think part of my problem is that there is a lot of uncertainty... the new engine designs being turbo may impact a second year release for the NA GT4 since it uses the Carrera S motor which will be changing to a turbo design. I guess the timing of the Cayman / Carrera .2 versions being so close has me second guessing how long I could afford to wait and still get the car I really want.
When I was asking at the 20 plus dealers for a GT4 I also asked about how many allocations they had received to date and how long their wait list was... it was typically a 4x to 10x difference in the negative. Another reason I bit the bullet just to get an order in even at a price over MSRP.
I wish I had a way to just pay MSRP, but I have not been successful to date.
David
When I was asking at the 20 plus dealers for a GT4 I also asked about how many allocations they had received to date and how long their wait list was... it was typically a 4x to 10x difference in the negative. Another reason I bit the bullet just to get an order in even at a price over MSRP.
I wish I had a way to just pay MSRP, but I have not been successful to date.
David
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Folks, there's almost certainly going to be calendar year 2016 production starts for the MY2016 of the GT4.
PAG hasn't scheduled calendar year 2016 starts yet for any model. Give them a sec to do that, then more allocations will drop, likely next quarter.
PAG hasn't scheduled calendar year 2016 starts yet for any model. Give them a sec to do that, then more allocations will drop, likely next quarter.
