OT: Cayman GT4
#482
It would make sense that the non-gt caymans become turbo 4-bangers, while the gt4 is a NA 6 cylinder, in view of the news that the 911 line is going the same way.
An Rs version of the cayman makes no sense to me... And I hope that complete speculation/fantasy goes away quietly
An Rs version of the cayman makes no sense to me... And I hope that complete speculation/fantasy goes away quietly
#483
The race car has not been approved and will not be online for 2 years IF it's approved. That's good info and not conjecture but info direct from the source as of 7 days ago!
#485
A poster on RT (someone who really knows) said Feb 5 introduction for the GT4 w/ "limited production", whatever that means. I don't think this car is going to be too exotic or high tech. I think the point of racing this car, if Porsche does make that decision, is to reduce costs.
#486
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A poster on RT (someone who really knows) said Feb 5 introduction for the GT4 w/ "limited production", whatever that means. I don't think this car is going to be too exotic or high tech. I think the point of racing this car, if Porsche does make that decision, is to reduce costs.
#487
My info is actually quasi-public and it was in a release a few days ago. I have no given knowledge of powertrain, etc., but I did not ask either. I was curious about the larger picture, etc road cars and racing. Either way...you folks are going to get a more powerful street car with some additional goodies so the patience will be rewarded.
#489
A counterargument:
If they are doing the GT4 correctly, and given that a race car is coming I suspect they will, then it will be getting a bunch of bespoke parts. Uprights with raised pickups, subframes, etc are all different on the GT3, and have traditionally been shared with the GT3 RS. Adding the RS effectively doubles the volume for those parts to amortize design and tooling, and is likely key to making the car's target profit margin. Given the success of this strategy and the fact that the "sacred" 911 is already going to be eclipsed by the GT4, at least in base form, why not? The Cayman is still early enough in its run that the chassis isn't changing to prevent it, and there is a nice RS sized hole below the GT3 and above the recent rumored GT4 specs (90k, 385 hp, 2850 lbs?) right at 415 hp and just under 110k:
If they are doing the GT4 correctly, and given that a race car is coming I suspect they will, then it will be getting a bunch of bespoke parts. Uprights with raised pickups, subframes, etc are all different on the GT3, and have traditionally been shared with the GT3 RS. Adding the RS effectively doubles the volume for those parts to amortize design and tooling, and is likely key to making the car's target profit margin. Given the success of this strategy and the fact that the "sacred" 911 is already going to be eclipsed by the GT4, at least in base form, why not? The Cayman is still early enough in its run that the chassis isn't changing to prevent it, and there is a nice RS sized hole below the GT3 and above the recent rumored GT4 specs (90k, 385 hp, 2850 lbs?) right at 415 hp and just under 110k:
I am hopeful, as I've said in other posts here, that the components which debuted in the 991 GT3 will make it to the Cayman GT4. The idea that the car will be called 'GT4' and not 'R' makes me think that Porsche is planning a more elaborate break out of their GT# cars... You know, because Porsche is clearly lacking in the number of model variants it sells For what I'm looking for in a car, this is great news, but it also flows with what other manufacturers are up to. look how BMW has been building out the 'M' cars in the last few years and how Merc has nearly made 'AMG' it's own thing. Audi and VW have been following the path as well with the S / RS (Audi) and the Golf lineup is getting silly; base, GTI, Type R, R400, Wolfsburg Edition...
Obviously Porsche already has a lot of this striation built in; base, S, GTS, turbo, turbo S, but the GT# cars have always been a bit different. In my opinion they are the 'M' or 'AMG' equivalent in Porsche lingo. If they further build out the differentiation to have the GT3 for the 911, the GT4 for the Cayman, and some other GT# for anything else they want to pair with a racing series, have at it! If it means we get the opportunity to buy street variants with blistering performance, more purpose-driven engineering, and a 10/10ths that borders on the ludicrous, I think they'll find a market for that!
-nh4.
#490
My info is actually quasi-public and it was in a release a few days ago. I have no given knowledge of powertrain, etc., but I did not ask either. I was curious about the larger picture, etc road cars and racing. Either way...you folks are going to get a more powerful street car with some additional goodies so the patience will be rewarded.
PS: Thanks again for helping get my 3.8l 981 sorted this week!
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There's one substantial difference though. Regular MB and BMW cars have no real pretense of being sports cars. Whereas the non-GT 911, Boxster, and Cayman variants are intended to be sports cars, and Porsche needs to be careful about sending a message that only the GT cars are their real sports cars.
#492
There's one substantial difference though. Regular MB and BMW cars have no real pretense of being sports cars. Whereas the non-GT 911, Boxster, and Cayman variants are intended to be sports cars, and Porsche needs to be careful about sending a message that only the GT cars are their real sports cars.
Then they also have their various steps:
228i -> M235i -> M2 (Not yet out, but looks like it'll be a great car)
C250 -> C350 -> C63 AMG
Cayman -> Cayman S -> Cayman GTS
I've seriously been considering buying a M235i as a DD, you can even get it with a proper mechanical Limited Slip Diff upgrade from the factory.
#493