Lighter with same engine and same brakes sans BS would get my attention at any price.

 

After the 981 GTS leak fiasco as well as Porsche's knack for misinformation I can't be the only one thinking that Porsche has a hand in this revelation.

 

Yes. If they drop in the 3.8L then they can keep the weight at 3000+lbs and still charge $90k+ base. If they stay with the 3.4L then they better take off weight and add suspension goodies to keep it competitive with a simple BGB or Deman 3.8L core swap -- otherwise, I'm out. The more I think about this the more I get attracted to a 2.7L 981 Boxster with sport suspension for low $50k.

 

Low 50s will still get you into a low miles manual Boxster Spyder... Not that I know what I'm talking about, but I don't think you'll be able to say that in 5-10 years. Do you?

 

Completely agree. Though I think it was Panorama or Excellence (was it Stout?) that picked the 981 Base with X73 suspension over the 987 Spyder by a narrow margin. I drove the 981 base Boxster with standard suspension at Limerock this summer and was amazed by the rigidity of the new chassis. Plus I prefer the 981 look over the 987. Either way, we're talking about the best Porsche purist bang for the buck, hands down. It probably shows that I miss my old Boxster S.

 

Anybody know what the announced global unveiling is at the LA Auto Show? GT3 RS, GT4, Station Wagon?

 

I've actually never driven a cayman. But I can see a lot of potential 1rs buyers going for a well set up gt4. Myself included.......

Buckets
5 lug
manual trans
half cage
370-380hp
radio del, rs carpets.

$85k price

 

Seems like the idea of GT4 getting PDK-S and any type of RWS might be off the table... Or maybe they were never on the table in the first place and I just got my hopes up!

I do still think PDK will be an option, just not a carbon copy of what is in the GT3.

So, jury is still out on this car for me. I'm not going to lose my place in line until we get the officially official details from Porsche, but no RWS is a bit of a bummer and no PDK-S is a slightly larger bummer.

-nh4.

 

So far:
Cayenne
Cayenne GTS
Panamera Exclusive ($260k model)
991 GTS (X51 package + Black Turbo S Wheels)

Now a Station Wagon like an Audi RS4 Avant would actually be interesting vs the what has been announced so far...

 

Checked with a good European source and he now thinks a 3.4L GT4 is a good possibility.

 

I like it. However, as far as I can tell, Deman Motorsport doesn't build new, 981 street cars with new 3.8L 991 engines. They have done conversions to race cars and have outfitted many with 987s with the 3.8L as well as building one 981 so far with a 3.8L transplant. We are waiting for customer #009 to send a deposit for a 2014 Cayman S PDK that is going to get a 3.8L 991 Power Kit swap! It is a goal to have built 10 of these cars by year end and thanks to the great support of Rennlist members, it might just happen!

I need to put myself back on topic and fight the ADHD urges...sorry. Are you guys seriously finding information that would lead you to believe that this will be a 3.4L?

For whoever asked, a 3.4L of the 987.2 era with every single aftermarket modification available to us in the form of bolt-ons produced about 340rwhp on the dampest, coldest day for best dyno power. This was actually right after we rolled off the track following the 2011 Grand-Am Continental Tire race at Daytona. The top 10 cars went to impound for a mobile dyno that was waiting as they rolled off the track, unbenknowst to every single competitor. It was awesome. At first they would not release the numbers to anyone but when I guessed ours within 2 horsepower they confirmed I was correct. We have used 87.5% as power to the drivewheels since 2005 so that I can be consistent. A 3.4L 9A1 engine with an aftermarket ECU, race headers, race exhaust, pulleys and the biggest cold air intake we were allowed produced nearly 390 at the crank using the above numbers.

Via a larger intake, better tuning and a motorsport header, you can get a 3.4L to the 375hp number you guys want. We try and find a lot of stuff for these cars because not everyone wants a swap and I think that right now, to answer the most common question asked to me on the phone by 3.4L owners, a 2015 GTS Cayman with some mods would make close to 375 crank hp on a stock map in the DME that can be revised to make 991 3.4L power and torque to start. If the factory wanted to make a 3.4L Cayman hot rod, they could and if that's where they're going, it's news to me but something that would definitely still be able to hold its own on a race track at a DE or something like that. I know a lot of you will be disappointed but I think I'm now even more interested to see exactly what is bolted to this thing!

 

Been thinking the same - get base Boxster and put 3.8L in it seems to be a real performance bargain option.

 

When I spoke to the guys at DeMan they were pushing 3.4L Cayman S race car conversions. They purchased a number of them new and were in the process of making the conversions. I didn't get the sense they had done any 981 3.8Ls, but didn't ask the question. I'm was more interested in getting a bespoke solution and having the headroom and power/torque of a 3.8L for only a small amount of extra money. I went with another shop in the NorthEast as they had built a friend's 987 race car and he was very happy with them.

Back on Topic:
Not heard anything specific on the GT4, have heard a lot more on the RS from dealer owners etc. I have a number one slot on both, but if the GT4 isn't a hybrid or something more revolutionary I'm out.

 

I think there's a better chance that they would drop the GT3 motor in to the GT4 before this thing is a hybrid of sorts. Neither is going to happen.

 

Agree - it seems off the table now, but early rumors were in that direction and that's when I got in line. Estimate then was $120k and the car was interesting, when that got squashed - I went ahead and got my 3.8L Cayman built for the track.

A tuned 3.4L for $90k is just not interesting to me. Would much rather get a manual 3.8L Boxster for similar money that would be a much better car.