718 GT4?
Three Wheelin'
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I own both cars. My wife drives the 718 GTS (PDK) on track and I drive the GT4. Both are stock except for alignment for more front camber on each car. The 718 has RE-71r's and the GT4 Sport Cup 2's. We are both in the red group with Chin.
On the same track (MSRH) with the same driver (me) on the same day - I have identical lap times when we swapped cars for a session. That (and given identical Ring times between the two cars stock) is why I claimed that the 718 with a tune and other mods should be faster than a stock GT4.
We have never had any heat issues (or any issues at all for that matter) with the 718 tracking in Texas 100 degree heat.
On the same track (MSRH) with the same driver (me) on the same day - I have identical lap times when we swapped cars for a session. That (and given identical Ring times between the two cars stock) is why I claimed that the 718 with a tune and other mods should be faster than a stock GT4.
We have never had any heat issues (or any issues at all for that matter) with the 718 tracking in Texas 100 degree heat.
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I'm kind on the same camp as you.....love my 981 GT4 and have it dial in for track days.
But since I'm at top of the list at my dealer it's too tempting to get the new one which will probably address some issues on the 981, so I'll have to buy the new car as you mentioned.
But wait, it gets even worst...if I'm lucky (or unlucky) for my allocation to fall within PTS then I 'll have no option but to shell out the ridiculous +$8K for PTS so I don't waste the "exclusivity" of having a PTS 718 GT4.
But since I'm at top of the list at my dealer it's too tempting to get the new one which will probably address some issues on the 981, so I'll have to buy the new car as you mentioned.
But wait, it gets even worst...if I'm lucky (or unlucky) for my allocation to fall within PTS then I 'll have no option but to shell out the ridiculous +$8K for PTS so I don't waste the "exclusivity" of having a PTS 718 GT4.
Three Wheelin'
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example, Randy Pabst Ran 1:37 at Laguna in a 981 GT4. He ran a 1:38 in a 718 GTS with PDK.
Three Wheelin'
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They are close but my bet is the GT4 is still quicker. 1.5 secs around Laguna is a substantial margin. If the 718 GTS was a 6 speed, bet it would be slower still. The claim was a 718 GTS was quicker, simply stating stock for stock it is not.
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Thanks for the explanation on your experience. Care to post your lap times? That would be interesting to see. Still, that doesn’t make the 718 quicker. Tuned maybe. I think once you start adding power adders to the 718, that’s when the heat problems start. From what they explained in their thread, Suncoast added a third heat exchanger to help but still have had heating problems. It seems they’re not the only ones. Many posts on The forum on this topic. I bet that’s another reason why the 718 GT4 won’t be a turbo 4. Strung out, it’s already heat soak prone.
In my opinion (and in my personal experience) a stock 718 GTS is as fast as a stock 981 GT4 on the same track, same driver, same day. Since I own and maintain both, I think my opinion is pretty unbiased. Also, as stated, I have had no heat related issues pushing the car hard in the Texas heat.
My $0.02 based on my experience. Other’s experiences may be different.
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I have a gt4 w headers , no tune, good alignment and re71's . At Sebring I play with a well driven 718 S on re 71's. The 718 actually pulls away on corner exit ( torque) but I catch him in the straights and sweepers and under braking as the gt4 has a massive braking advantage. Although hard to quantify I think the 4 is better mid corner as well.
GTS would likely be similar. Braking is probably the biggest advantage of the gt4 over any of the 718's to date. Overall the 4 seems a bit faster but not by much.
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Well...I can tell from actual experience that you need to mod the 718 to match or better the GT4.
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Well so much for an 8:00am European Time online reveal.....Here’s hoping for North America 8am.
Found another recycled speculation article with this spy video which may or may not be new (I’ve lost track of all of them).
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.moto...gt4-video/amp/
Found another recycled speculation article with this spy video which may or may not be new (I’ve lost track of all of them).
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.moto...gt4-video/amp/
Three Wheelin'
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My lap times in both were pretty consistently 1:46:XX going clockwise at MSRH. Maybe I am just slow in both cars, but I am on pace with the run group.
In my opinion (and in my personal experience) a stock 718 GTS is as fast as a stock 981 GT4 on the same track, same driver, same day. Since I own and maintain both, I think my opinion is pretty unbiased. Also, as stated, I have had no heat related issues pushing the car hard in the Texas heat.
My $0.02 based on my experience. Other’s experiences may be different.
In my opinion (and in my personal experience) a stock 718 GTS is as fast as a stock 981 GT4 on the same track, same driver, same day. Since I own and maintain both, I think my opinion is pretty unbiased. Also, as stated, I have had no heat related issues pushing the car hard in the Texas heat.
My $0.02 based on my experience. Other’s experiences may be different.
Mine as well.
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The two cars are great, and the 718 GT4 is going to be even better.
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I think a better comparison is Car and Driver's Lightning Lap, because they use mortal drivers vs. race car drivers. Its a better comparison of how accessible and easy a car is for the average track day dopes like us. They also use VIR which is a better representation of tracks around the world compared to the Ring with its gigantic straight and rough demeanor.
C&D had a 718GTS with all performance options and they were 2.7 seconds slower than the GT4 (2:56.7 vs. 2:54.0) on the newer pavement and it was dry compared to a light mist for the GT4. Videos are on youtube.
Thoughts?
C&D had a 718GTS with all performance options and they were 2.7 seconds slower than the GT4 (2:56.7 vs. 2:54.0) on the newer pavement and it was dry compared to a light mist for the GT4. Videos are on youtube.
Thoughts?