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Old May 2, 2018 | 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Professor_Gascan
Porsche has managed to achieve pretty excellent torque/L efficiency with the new 4.0L engine (GT3 = 84.75 ft.lbs/L; GT3 RS 86.5 ft.lbs/L.) The GT4 3.8L engine was 81.3 ft.lbs/L; nothing to sneeze at, but room for improvement. With the bump in displacement and a small improvement in breathing, there's no reason a GT4 4.0 couldn't have 330 ft/lbs of torque, probably lower down in the rev range.
The last GT4 (310 ft-lbs) was artificially limited in peak torque (I believe due to a limitation in the gearbox or just marketing). 330 ft-lbs would be a gain of 6% over the last GT4 (not earth-shaking - roughly equivalent to descending 2,000 ft in elevation), but noticeable. However, why would you expect the torque to be available at lower rpms when the GT3 and GT3 RS peak at 6k rpm or higher and the last GT4 was at 4,750 rpm?

Lowering the gearing could be a much bigger improvement in torque to the ground than 6% as gears works as a torque multiplier. 10% improvement would be easily attainable through gearing, but impossible with 4.0L NA motor alone. Of course, the best outcome would be from a combination of more torque, a higher redline, and better gearing made possible from the higher redline (as achieved in GT3 and RS).
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Old May 2, 2018 | 06:56 PM
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Old May 2, 2018 | 07:50 PM
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If it is turbo, its def one of the better sounding turbos on the market. For some reason I'm not convinced its N/A. If it is, its HIGHLY muffled.
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Old May 2, 2018 | 08:26 PM
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Porsche would do well to offer retro fitting for that tungsten coated brake disc. It's like the best of both worlds. No dust but great braking performance!
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Old May 2, 2018 | 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by digitalrurouni
Porsche would do well to offer retro fitting for that tungsten coated brake disc. It's like the best of both worlds. No dust but great braking performance!
Hmm no.

Those PFC steel racing brakes are simply amazing. Out performance any street brakes. PCCB, or steel or the new coated ones. Not even close.
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Old May 2, 2018 | 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Whoopsy
Hmm no.

Those PFC steel racing brakes are simply amazing. Out performance any street brakes. PCCB, or steel or the new coated ones. Not even close.
Can you tell us how much they cost and how long they last ??
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Old May 3, 2018 | 12:00 AM
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My guess is steel brake rotors would last about one application of the brakes.
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Old May 3, 2018 | 12:12 AM
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Additionally, the CS brake calipers are a lot smaller so that they can fit in the 18" wheel as reqd by GT4 rules.
I would really like a conversion kit for that.
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Old May 3, 2018 | 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Gatte
Can you tell us how much they cost and how long they last ??
Can't quite tell you that. The GT4CS have the PFC brakes as standard.

When I bought my ClubSport, I purchased the Spares package for US$9500. Consists of 2 complete sets of rotors, and 4 complete sets of brake pads.

The original sets of pads that shipped with the car lasted around 5500km track miles, it was down to 20%. I had them replaced together with new rotors.



Size wise, they are 380mm both front and rear, 380mmx32mm for front and 380mm for rear.


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Old May 3, 2018 | 04:26 AM
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I get such a kick out of reading these posts!
sitting hear laughing to myself
So many trying to play Sherlock Holmes, when we have our own in-house detective, in Woopsie

Personally I think Porsche is eating this up sending out cars with exhausts that are muffled and disguised
This creates all the speculation and fervor...

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Old May 3, 2018 | 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by GrantG
The displacement increase only implies 5% more torque. Best thing that could happen is high redline which would allow lower gears.
Have you seen the DeMan 4.0L? Their dyno chart suggests torque at 4k revs is 305ft/lb v 250 stock. It's not all about peak numbers

http://demanmotorsport.com/services/...-0-gt4-upgades

Perhaps you drive a 4.0L torquey car differently?

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Old May 3, 2018 | 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by GAZZ
Additionally, the CS brake calipers are a lot smaller so that they can fit in the 18" wheel as reqd by GT4 rules.
I would really like a conversion kit for that.
DeMan Motorsports can do that for you using other Porsche parts. There were videos posted a ?year? ago about a group visit to DeMan - very interesting to hear their story
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Old May 3, 2018 | 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ralphmusic
DeMan Motorsports can do that for you using other Porsche parts. There were videos posted a ?year? ago about a group visit to DeMan - very interesting to hear their story
Yes, I remember that well, but that solution was using the 997GT3RS calipers and is far from ideal. There is still barely any gap so stones will get caught and it will suffer poor cooling a lot of heat soak issues.
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Old May 3, 2018 | 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Eddie
I get such a kick out of reading these posts!
sitting hear laughing to myself
So many trying to play Sherlock Holmes, when we have our own in-house detective, in Woopsie

Personally I think Porsche is eating this up sending out cars with exhausts that are muffled and disguised
This creates all the speculation and fervor...



those guys who have access might be right, but you can’t blame those folks who are skeptical because those cleaning ladies arent quotable sources.

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Old May 3, 2018 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by GAZZ
Yes, I remember that well, but that solution was using the 997GT3RS calipers and is far from ideal. There is still barely any gap so stones will get caught and it will suffer poor cooling a lot of heat soak issues.
Yes, I liked his comments about how track guys aren't **** about caught stone grooves. I would have thought decent ducting would address cooling but DeMan would know far more than I.
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