Ferrari and porsche collide
11-09-2004, 01:24 AM
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Ferrari and porsche collide
huge explosion....anyone know what happend to the drivers?
http://www.m90.org/view_image.php?image_id=449
http://www.m90.org/view_image.php?image_id=449
11-09-2004, 09:36 AM
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other way around man..ferrari driver sued because he was trapped in his burning car and saftey people didn't get him out within the saftey procedure "allotted time".
11-09-2004, 11:02 AM
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People want too many guarantees. Racing is dangerous. While the track should do everything in their power, they should not be held liable. Such an attitude as these two drivers is going to ruin motorsports for everyone. Sorry, you can't have your cake and eat it, too; racing is dangerous. That's a risk you take. Period. That's why the drivers in previous days were heroes. Today's drivers are pansies.
11-09-2004, 11:37 AM
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People want too many guarantees. Racing is dangerous. While the track should do everything in their power, they should not be held liable. Such an attitude as these two drivers is going to ruin motorsports for everyone. Sorry, you can't have your cake and eat it, too; racing is dangerous. That's a risk you take. Period. That's why the drivers in previous days were heroes. Today's drivers are pansies.
11-09-2004, 11:39 AM
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^ both of you make vaild points, yes racing is dangerous and you can be killed.. but you would at least expect the saftey team to be top notch... like the simple green guys in CART...
11-09-2004, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony K
People want too many guarantees. Racing is dangerous. While the track should do everything in their power, they should not be held liable. Such an attitude as these two drivers is going to ruin motorsports for everyone. Sorry, you can't have your cake and eat it, too; racing is dangerous. That's a risk you take. Period. That's why the drivers in previous days were heroes. Today's drivers are pansies.
I have a problem with your point. There are risks indeed but there is also responsibility on the part of the organizers to manage their track to provide a reasonable level of safety. This venue did not provide this crucial element.
Here is question for you: Had you been part of the safety team, would you have run out on the track to assist the Ferrari driver? I would not because my own safety would have been at risk. The idea in "first assistance/aid" is "protect yourself". You can't help anyone if your toast.
BTW, where was this race??
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11-09-2004, 06:25 PM
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the stupidest part of that video is indeed when the porsche driver is climbing out of his flaming car, and the corner worker chooses to put out the debris 3 feet from the porsche instead of helping the obviously injured driver.
11-10-2004, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by DeAd-EyE
^ both of you make vaild points, yes racing is dangerous and you can be killed.. but you would at least expect the saftey team to be top notch... like the simple green guys in CART...
11-12-2004, 09:41 AM
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Are corner workers trained to assist injured?
Untrained people responding to medical emergencies can sometimes do more harm than good. Perhaps there were appropriate policies and procedures that delineated roles. That said, however, I cannot imagine NOT breaking a policy or a rule to help in an emergency where immediate response is quite obviously essential. Maybe the worker thought he was helping to clear the way for EMT? Dunno.
This would seem like a good time and place to break some rules.
Untrained people responding to medical emergencies can sometimes do more harm than good. Perhaps there were appropriate policies and procedures that delineated roles. That said, however, I cannot imagine NOT breaking a policy or a rule to help in an emergency where immediate response is quite obviously essential. Maybe the worker thought he was helping to clear the way for EMT? Dunno.
This would seem like a good time and place to break some rules.
11-12-2004, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave Thomas
...and not like the F1 guys who, at Indy, left R. Schumacher sitting unconscious and in a very dangerous place for an ungodly amount of time.
Formula One's governing FIA has backed officials of Sunday's Indianapolis race amid criticism they did not suitably handle the crash-strewn United States GP.
It was claimed doctors took too long to reach an unconscious Ralf Schumacher. ''We require [personnel] to arrive within two minutes,'' said a FIA spokesman.
''This was achieved.''
He also confirmed track marshals and 'non-medical' officials followed correct procedures because they are 'specifically instructed' not to touch a driver.
Several drivers believe the race should have been stopped altogether.
Indeed, tyre supplier Michelin's Pascal Vasselon told Motorsport News on Wednesday that debris littered on the Speedway caused Schumacher's puncture.
''When there's a crash on the racing line,'' started the Frenchman ...
''... we think it's better for cars to stop and change tyres.''
But the FIA believes that's even more dangerous. ''It's [something] to be avoided,'' said the spokesman, ''if a safety car ... can manage the situation.''
