I don't know if this still holds true, but at some point this is/was the supposed scenario:
For every car that a dealership sold to an individual and was picked up in Europe, that dealership got an additional allocation for a similar car (911 for a 911). So if a dealership made let's say 20K on the EuroD car, they would make an additional 20K on the additional allocation. Even if they had to pay 2.5K for EuroD and attribute it to a person who had no intention of driving it in Europe they dealership would still come out 17.5K ahead. I suspect this became more of an issue when allocations were hard to get (during and after COVID) and new cars were hard to find. In addition, dealers were able to charge premiums for a sought-after model, increasing the value of those extra allocations.
I have no inside information. This is solely speculation on how a dealership could scam the system based on what I have heard about the EuroD program.

 

this is correct. dealer does in fact get an extra 911 allocation, it gets better. as long as they sell all of their 911s they will continue to receive that extra allocation in perpetuity for the following years.

the issue became that clever dealers started forcing GT3 buyers to do ED so that they can keep getting these extra 911 allocations. it was easy and GT3 buyers didn't care for extra 2 or 2.5k ( not that long ago it was actually free).

there are only about 240 spots per year allocated to North America customer ED deliveries ( 75-80% of Factory Deliveries are for German buyers), so people that actually wanted to do ED couldn't because the already limited spots were being clogged up by greedy dealers. [ above figures were given to me during my ED a few months ago by Porsche people at the factory ]. I met a guy from the US during my factory tour, who did actually show up to do ED on a yellow GT3RS and didn't even drive car, just left it there.

 

So it sounds like it was even more egregious than I suspected! Dealers will be dealers.

 

So with the new price structure, will it be more difficult to get Leipzig ED because of the $3k price difference between the two?

 

Hard to know. I'd guess yes, but figure all the GT car folks spending $250k+ won't mind the $6k to go to "mecca," so who knows.

 

Is Stuttgart that much better than Leipzig? I was in Germany two years ago and stopped at the Porsche Leipzig plant (it was closed though), and it looked amazing...

 

Probably not. But, if you’ve paid a quarter-million dollars for a GT car, you may want to pick it up exactly where it was made.

 

Even if I pay a quarter mill for a car I'm not going to just burn $3000 for no good reason or tangible benefit.

 

Having done both. We need to wait and see what the Sunderwunsch options are for Stuttgart. As it stands now, there is no way I would pay $3k more for Zuff. You can go and do all of the ED experiences on your own (Museum, Factory Tour) in Zuff after you pick up in Leipzig if you wanted. Let’s see what they have in mind for the new Zuff experience, but being a half day, I can’t imagine it being that much more extensive than today. We shall see.

 

Which of the two did you like better so far?

The one benefit for Stuttgart in my mind was always that it was closer to France and Italy, so if you want to do the scenic route down to Monaco and Milan, it would be less driving than from Leipzig.

 

This is the fundamental problem with Leipzig delivery imo. It's so far away from the most common ED treks, that it adds at least a day and a half of wasted travel time to and from.

 

This is for sure. Because we can't guarantee they'll let us skip the factory tour and get all the way to Munich, we're doing a short drive delivery day to Nuremberg and then another one the next day to Munich before the real trip starts. We have lunch with one of our BMW instructor buddies outside Munich on that day, otherwise we could theoretically skip that. But yes, lost time for sure with the Leipzig delivery.

 

The configurator still has free options to both ED options, so I interpreted that as meaning you could do the traditional delivery for free but have the full track experience like the LA & Atlanta PEC delivery for the fee. Has a dealer confirmed what the charges are for?

 

**** new Porsche’s. I did ED in 22 with a M/T 718 Spyder for no cost and for $2k in 24 with a M/T GTS Spyder both times spending about a month over there mainly driving. Both were the best vacations an adult could have. It’s a shame what Porsche has turned into with their $200k base 911’s. One of the main reasons I bought my first mid-engine V8 Ferarri. I sold my 28k mile pts 991.2 touring and bought a andial 930 and 488 GTB for less than I sold the GT3 for, a car I loved and one of six 991.2 tourings I’ve owned but things have gotten out of control. Aircooled turbos and water cooled NA’s will always be my passion and I’ll have another non PTS 991.2 always but seriously **** Porsche $400k for a 992.2 neutered GT3 is simply not worth it.

 

Hmmm... my first was Zuff so that's always special. Leipzig is fun because you get track time. Zuff is more about the museum and heritage.i would do Leipzig, and drop off in Stuttgart and do tour + museum for the day on dropoff is the best experience. If you are truly tight on time (limited to 3 days or so), and would be happy with only a day or two of driving, then Zuff is the better option, as you can get to the black forest and back quickly.

The point about distances for Leipzig is true, but not a major issue. Leipzig is several hours east, but I honestly love driving. Even if you wanted to go from Leipzig direct to Stuttgart, its a 4-5 hour drive. It's not 10 hours. Fun opportunity to break the car in on the Autobahn. I actually did that on my last ED due to an issue with my PPF...

Leipzig will let you delete elements of the delivery if you like. Its not a big deal, they are very very relaxed vs Stuttgart, but honestly I would only suggest potentially cutting the factory tour if you are going to do it in Stuttgart. My next ED plan will be Leipzig, skip factory tour, and then head down to Grossglockner and work my way west through Austria, Switzerland, France and into Spain, and then loop back to Stuttgart.

What i have learned is that the communication from the US to the Europe ED team isnt the best, and the US team is a bit more rigid about things. Once you get to Europe and are nice and excited, the German team is very helpful to make things happen.