Experimented with a data coaching program at Schnell Fest
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We tried a program for HPDE intermediate and advanced drivers this past weekend at COTA. There were three parts. The first part: the student drove their car for a session and collected data. The second part: they brought their data to a scheduled 1:1 classroom session with their data coach (held at multiple time slots over the weekend so that we could accomodate multiple drivers). The classroom was open for anyone to watch but focused on the scheduled driver's data. The third part was an on-track session with the data coach focused on actioning the data insights found in the classroom. In theory, it sounded great. In practice, we struggled with getting the data out of the car and into the classroom. This seems to be a hurdle for a lot of non-technical (hell, even technical) folks. AIM was the culprit, specifically Solo2/Smartycam setups. AIM was the most popular by far but seems to be really just used as an in-car lap timer by most. There was only one driver who was able to successfully pull their data and video from their car. He must have had all the correct device drivers installed. In general, we were really disappointed that we did not see this coming and find some more volunteers to help figure this part out. We've learned from this and will adjust for it next time. One data coach had 4 students, and each of the 4 classrooms had about 10 people watching.
As a side note, Track Precision does not work reliably with the latest circuit tools on PC or macOS. I like the simplicity of getting it running in the car and viewing the data; it's super simple to get the data visible on an iPad/monitor. If the tool were better, it would be the deal of the century, but alas, the tool is too dumbed down. Sectors, 2+ laps of overlaid data, etc., really need some love, BUT super easy to get working and most Porsches have it now. I've reached out to Racelogic with some examples of failure, but I suspect Porsche is the culprit.
Just thought I'd share what we're doing and invite comments/questions
As a side note, Track Precision does not work reliably with the latest circuit tools on PC or macOS. I like the simplicity of getting it running in the car and viewing the data; it's super simple to get the data visible on an iPad/monitor. If the tool were better, it would be the deal of the century, but alas, the tool is too dumbed down. Sectors, 2+ laps of overlaid data, etc., really need some love, BUT super easy to get working and most Porsches have it now. I've reached out to Racelogic with some examples of failure, but I suspect Porsche is the culprit.
Just thought I'd share what we're doing and invite comments/questions
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For sure. The quick fix is to have them bring the camera card in only and import into RS3 Analysis. MUCH easier that way and any info on the video background will be available in the analysis program. 6 Hz with the SCHD V2.X and 20 Hz with the SC3 camera videos.
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I'm happy to help you out on the AiM side. I've helped a lot of regions/chapters/groups with this exact thing. Peter's suggestion of having the student bring in the SCHD card is a good one and the easy button. The other is to bring in the S2DL. Then I would suggest not counting on the student to be technologically savvy. Assume you will run the tech part, they will do the drive part.
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With the high caliber VBox set up that I have, o g with the excellent operating instructions I received, I know downloading data will be a snap for me. It’s unfortunate that I had a conflict this past weekend and couldn’t make it. However, I’m really looking forward to the next one.
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I'm happy to help you out on the AiM side. I've helped a lot of regions/chapters/groups with this exact thing. Peter's suggestion of having the student bring in the SCHD card is a good one and the easy button. The other is to bring in the S2DL. Then I would suggest not counting on the student to be technologically savvy. Assume you will run the tech part, they will do the drive part.
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With the high caliber VBox set up that I have, o g with the excellent operating instructions I received, I know downloading data will be a snap for me. It’s unfortunate that I had a conflict this past weekend and couldn’t make it. However, I’m really looking forward to the next one.
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I'm happy to help you out on the AiM side. I've helped a lot of regions/chapters/groups with this exact thing. Peter's suggestion of having the student bring in the SCHD card is a good one and the easy button. The other is to bring in the S2DL. Then I would suggest not counting on the student to be technologically savvy. Assume you will run the tech part, they will do the drive part.
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We tried a program for HPDE intermediate and advanced drivers this past weekend at COTA. There were three parts. The first part: the student drove their car for a session and collected data. The second part: they brought their data to a scheduled 1:1 classroom session with their data coach (held at multiple time slots over the weekend so that we could accomodate multiple drivers). The classroom was open for anyone to watch but focused on the scheduled driver's data. The third part was an on-track session with the data coach focused on actioning the data insights found in the classroom. In theory, it sounded great. In practice, we struggled with getting the data out of the car and into the classroom. This seems to be a hurdle for a lot of non-technical (hell, even technical) folks. AIM was the culprit, specifically Solo2/Smartycam setups. AIM was the most popular by far but seems to be really just used as an in-car lap timer by most. There was only one driver who was able to successfully pull their data and video from their car. He must have had all the correct device drivers installed. In general, we were really disappointed that we did not see this coming and find some more volunteers to help figure this part out. We've learned from this and will adjust for it next time. One data coach had 4 students, and each of the 4 classrooms had about 10 people watching.
As a side note, Track Precision does not work reliably with the latest circuit tools on PC or macOS. I like the simplicity of getting it running in the car and viewing the data; it's super simple to get the data visible on an iPad/monitor. If the tool were better, it would be the deal of the century, but alas, the tool is too dumbed down. Sectors, 2+ laps of overlaid data, etc., really need some love, BUT super easy to get working and most Porsches have it now. I've reached out to Racelogic with some examples of failure, but I suspect Porsche is the culprit.
Just thought I'd share what we're doing and invite comments/questions
As a side note, Track Precision does not work reliably with the latest circuit tools on PC or macOS. I like the simplicity of getting it running in the car and viewing the data; it's super simple to get the data visible on an iPad/monitor. If the tool were better, it would be the deal of the century, but alas, the tool is too dumbed down. Sectors, 2+ laps of overlaid data, etc., really need some love, BUT super easy to get working and most Porsches have it now. I've reached out to Racelogic with some examples of failure, but I suspect Porsche is the culprit.
Just thought I'd share what we're doing and invite comments/questions
I sent a .vbo file from the Track Precision App to Jacy after the event, and he is in contact with Racelogic, who apparently wrote the app for Porsche. Maybe this will help them fix the bug with exporting the .vbo file to Circuit Tools. I think this could be a popular class once the data export/import problems are solved. I can imagine using data to look at setting the GT3 RS's compression/rebound settings and PTV+ accel/decel settings to see which settings are faster through certain corners.
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Maybe a bit of a learning curve but downloading the data from AIM devices is super easy and takes no more than 30 sec. All of those should have the wifi option and can be connected from any laptop that has race studio.
This is a great idea. Hope you sort the issues going forward.
This is a great idea. Hope you sort the issues going forward.
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Pulling the data from just the video card is a great tool, unless you need to dig for more information.
You can do everything you need in these short consults from the SD card.
You can do everything you need in these short consults from the SD card.
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A really powerful and easy way I've seen programs be successful is with the plain Solo 2. They are inexpensive and easy to install. The person just has to turn it on and mount it with the suction cup. Then they bring it back, download the data, and the teaching ensues. If there is interest, I'm happy to host a webinar and share some of the different ways I've seen them used with great success. The methods vary a lot, but they fit the group and volunteers very well.
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Like Matt, I've supplied and trained a number of Regions and Chapterswify a variety of solutions to do just that, initiate a data review to add value to the solo driver experiences personalized, targeted coaching and review.
My experience is that video is an integral, necessary part of any of this. The driver that isn't already familiar with making sense of squiggly lines (and even most instructors that are) need to see the attitude, heading and angle of the car to determine WHY they aren't on the throttle or adding. Plus, a simple review of the lateral placement of the car can not only answer a lot of questions but streamline what to do next.
My experience is that video is an integral, necessary part of any of this. The driver that isn't already familiar with making sense of squiggly lines (and even most instructors that are) need to see the attitude, heading and angle of the car to determine WHY they aren't on the throttle or adding. Plus, a simple review of the lateral placement of the car can not only answer a lot of questions but streamline what to do next.
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