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As I wrote I am in EU. My charger is connected to a three-phase socket. The fuses are 3 x 16A. Max charging power is 11kW.
North American Porsche EV chargers (EVSE's) are factually:
maximum 9.6 kW
_ALL_ North American _MOBILE_ chargers/EVSE's share this limit - it's the maximum amount of power you can have with a plug based device vs. hardwired - so this is a North American _LIMIT_ imposed by building codes and common plug/socket based infrastructure
9.6 k is 40 amps @ 240 volts and requires in North America a 50 amp breaker as part of building codes.
plug based - NEMA 14-50 or 6-50 socket
currently under recall because Porsche sucked on the power supply cable design and it can get toast warm in normal use
Prosche _OWN_ words in the recall notice recommend against using the unit and purchasing an alternative non-Porsche EVSE
and not the same as the European units
and have far more problems than ROW
11 kW charging in North American _REQUIRES_ a hardwired walled mounted unit - the Prosche mobile EVSE North American product included what the vehicle is _NOT_ an option for 11 kW charging - you can buy a Porsche Wall Charger which is hardwired and it can do anywhere from 15-100 amp breakers - it's configurable - but there are better non-Porsche EVSEs for less money, highly quality and more features - Porsche's EVSE's in North America are not competitive products on quality, price, feature set or reliability - they are in fact awful products and frankly anything is better vs. the Porsche EVSE alternatives.
There is nothing in common between the North American units and the European units
North America is a different beast - and it's a horrible product and as mentioned currently under recall with no replacement parts available, and Prosche recommends alternative EVSE and will pay you up to $600 if you purchase another non-Porsche unit.
Last edited by daveo4porsche; 04-21-2024 at 11:41 PM.
see tthis thread for gory gory details regarding the current sh*t show that is the North American Prosche EVSE - it's under recall, Porsche has no replacement at this time, they recommend against using it and will pay you up to $600 to purchase an alternative unit…
Out of interest whats wrong with the Porsche Charger?
I have a car arriving very soon but I didnt think the Porsche charger was bad if you get a proper ampage connection put in.
the PMC+/PMCC are currently subject to a recall and porsche does not yet have a repair procedure/parts - they just recommend not using it - and will pay you $600 to purchase your own replacement
new vehicle's EV/s and Hybrids are being provided either cash credits or an actual non-Porsche EVSE along with purchase of the vehicle in some cases by some dealers
when run at it's full 9.6 kW capacity it is NOT just fine - it has numerous thermal issues
it's flaky/wonky and isn't compabiltiiy with other non-Porsche EV's
it has a long history in the Taycan forums of being a real pain in the ***…
My SA said porsche does not recommend using a adapter to charge their cars and if there is a problem as a result, porsche might void the warranty.
the level of wrong, FUD, clueless, and just plain lazy in this case would be comedic if it wasn't so tragic…
this is essentially like saying it matters where the gasoline is pumped from -and you'll void your warranty if you fill your 911 from a 50 gallon drum using a hand pump vs. a gas station pump.
it's just 100% wrong and shows (an unsurprising) lack of understanding how EVSE's (the chargers which are not chargers) actually work…
read it and get back to me as to if you think the car would even know it's using an adatper, and if the raw 240V power supply is any different with or without an adatper.
100% clueless dealer FUD - no question - just plain stupid.
the adatper is trivial and not really a thing - your SA is 100% clueless I promise you
you want either a NEMA 14-50/6-50 Hubble socket installed - 50 amp circuit for a 40 amp charge rate - 9.6 kW
_OR_
you want to installed a new 60 amp circuit and hardwire the Tesla universal charger for 48 amp charge rate matching the 2024 Hybrid's 11 k'w maximum charge rate - this I also the Macan EV's and other EV's normal maximum.
The charge point flex can be NEMA 14-50/6-50 based also - for a 40 amp charge rate (9.6 kW) or hardwired on a 60 amp breaker (48 amp 11 kw charge rate) or 70 amp breaker (hardwired) for a full 50 amp charge rate (slightly faster than 48 amp but no EV can really charge at a full 50 amps except a hummer or Ford Lightening)
both the Tesla and the Chargepoint get my nod as EV chargers because they both support J-1772 standard north american plugs (current Taycan's and Cayennes) & NACS plugs for all future EV's starting in 2026 - Tesla Universal has the adapter so no change required - the Chargpoint can "swap" the charging cable from J-1772 to NACS for minimal fee…
for me personally the Tesla get the nod for 3 reasons:
48 amp charge rate on a 60 amp breaker
supports both J-1772 & NACS charging (it's coming)
it supports power sharing for up to 6 Tesla chargers to "share" a single breaker but charge multiple EV's - so when you have your Hybrid and your Macan EV you simple add a 2nd Tesla Universal Charger to your existing breaker and have both EV's "share" your 60 amp charging capacity but dynamically shift the load when one EV is done charging the remaining EV gets full capacity…it's a slick setup and honestly is happiness for your future mulit-EV household…
if you really want to do this only once - have your electrician install a 100/125 amp breaker in your main panel - route that new circuit to a new sub panel in the garage - in the sub panel add a 60/70 amp breaker for the Tesla/ChargePoint charger…
when it comes time for your 2nd EV charger you then add another breaker for the 2nd EV charger that does not overload the 100/125 amp circuit you installed in 2024 - easy peasy - your 2nd electrician visit will be trivial - even a DIY project if you're sufficient adventurous.
if you can't handle 100/125 amps - do an 80 amp - it can still be split and shared with two EV chargers for future overnight charging of two EV's…
I had my electrician install two separate 60amp circuits to handle two Wallbox units hardwired in my interior rear garage wall and outside garage wall for access to charge a vehicle in the driveway for my now wife's Taycan CT4. Should be good as I believe they're wired up and amp is 48amp for these. Have charged at home for like past 12+ mos without any problem. Never used Porsche's chargers to be honest and my dealer doesn't even have the replacement in stock when I went in for my Taycan CT4 service last month. Assume here my Cayenne hybrid should be okay no?
I had my electrician install two separate 60amp circuits to handle two Wallbox units hardwired in my interior rear garage wall and outside garage wall for access to charge a vehicle in the driveway for my now wife's Taycan CT4. Should be good as I believe they're wired up and amp is 48amp for these. Have charged at home for like past 12+ mos without any problem. Never used Porsche's chargers to be honest and my dealer doesn't even have the replacement in stock when I went in for my Taycan CT4 service last month. Assume here my Cayenne hybrid should be okay no?
I had my electrician install two separate 60amp circuits to handle two Wallbox units hardwired in my interior rear garage wall and outside garage wall for access to charge a vehicle in the driveway for my now wife's Taycan CT4. Should be good as I believe they're wired up and amp is 48amp for these. Have charged at home for like past 12+ mos without any problem. Never used Porsche's chargers to be honest and my dealer doesn't even have the replacement in stock when I went in for my Taycan CT4 service last month. Assume here my Cayenne hybrid should be okay no?
excellent setup - should be good for many years and many EVs or PHEVs
A lot of great information in this thread -- Thanks @daveo4porsche
Since a lot of this infor is 3+ years old I have a question here. If you were building a new construction garage with 2 bays and wanted to future proof it, would you go with a 240 service into two 60amp breakers and run a charge of of each. Or is that overkill.
A lot of great information in this thread -- Thanks @daveo4porsche
Since a lot of this infor is 3+ years old I have a question here. If you were building a new construction garage with 2 bays and wanted to future proof it, would you go with a 240 service into two 60amp breakers and run a charge of of each. Or is that overkill.
my "ideal" EV garage build is as followes
80/100/125/150 AMP breaker added to the "main" panel
100/150 AMP subpanel in the garage - fed by the new breaker from the main panel
install breakers "as needed" in the new sub panel (40/50/60/80 amp)
either dedicated circuits for each EVSE with breaker size to "fit" the EVSE's capabilities
or breakers for each EVSE, but the EVSE's are configured to "share" a total capacity via powersharing (ClipperCreek & Tesla EVSE's can do this)
one 50 amp breaker for a Hubble NEMA 14-50/6-50 outlet in case you want/need to use a mobile EVSE
once you have 80 or more amps to play with - it honestly doesn't matter if the EVSE's are on dedicated circuits or shared power loads - because it's more than enough to handle 2 or 3 EV's charging overnight from midnight to 8 am for "off peak" billing rates…
but hard to go wrong with dedicated single circuits for each EVSE if that is what you want to do.
04-21-2024, 08:38 PM
