cayenne S E Hybrid worth it over Base?
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Just want to get your opinion if you think the S E Hybrid is worth getting over the base E hybrid?
I am in Canada and I price out a base E hybrid to be $166k Cad and the S E Hybrid with the same build $172k so 6k difference. The only thing that sucks is I am paying more money for the same engine.
Would you guys go for the S instead and why?
Also, anyone able to get allocations for S yet? No allocation from my dealership yet
I am in Canada and I price out a base E hybrid to be $166k Cad and the S E Hybrid with the same build $172k so 6k difference. The only thing that sucks is I am paying more money for the same engine.
Would you guys go for the S instead and why?
Also, anyone able to get allocations for S yet? No allocation from my dealership yet
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How much is S in your area? If 5-8% more I would go with S instead.
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You get a non-detuned engine for more power and bigger brakes (with red calipers!!). If I can do it, I will seriously contemplate getting the S since I'm really 17 years old.
I asked my sales guy to look into it to see schedule impact vs. my Base Hybrid order that currently shows a early June delivery (ordered last April), but he said that he doesn't recall seeing any S Hybrid allocations yet. I told him no rush and will let you know what I hear.
My current order is fairly heavily optioned, so the change would be about a 3-4% increase per the configurator.
I asked my sales guy to look into it to see schedule impact vs. my Base Hybrid order that currently shows a early June delivery (ordered last April), but he said that he doesn't recall seeing any S Hybrid allocations yet. I told him no rush and will let you know what I hear.
My current order is fairly heavily optioned, so the change would be about a 3-4% increase per the configurator.
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You get a non-detuned engine for more power and bigger brakes (with red calipers!!). If I can do it, I will seriously contemplate getting the S since I'm really 17 years old.
I asked my sales guy to look into it to see schedule impact vs. my Base Hybrid order that currently shows a early June delivery (ordered last April), but he said that he doesn't recall seeing any S Hybrid allocations yet. I told him no rush and will let you know what I hear.
My current order is fairly heavily optioned, so the change would be about a 3-4% increase per the configurator.
I asked my sales guy to look into it to see schedule impact vs. my Base Hybrid order that currently shows a early June delivery (ordered last April), but he said that he doesn't recall seeing any S Hybrid allocations yet. I told him no rush and will let you know what I hear.
My current order is fairly heavily optioned, so the change would be about a 3-4% increase per the configurator.
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You get a non-detuned engine for more power and bigger brakes (with red calipers!!). If I can do it, I will seriously contemplate getting the S since I'm really 17 years old.
I asked my sales guy to look into it to see schedule impact vs. my Base Hybrid order that currently shows a early June delivery (ordered last April), but he said that he doesn't recall seeing any S Hybrid allocations yet. I told him no rush and will let you know what I hear.
My current order is fairly heavily optioned, so the change would be about a 3-4% increase per the configurator.
I asked my sales guy to look into it to see schedule impact vs. my Base Hybrid order that currently shows a early June delivery (ordered last April), but he said that he doesn't recall seeing any S Hybrid allocations yet. I told him no rush and will let you know what I hear.
My current order is fairly heavily optioned, so the change would be about a 3-4% increase per the configurator.
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Yes my SA has a list for new Cayenne allocations and best timeframe for me just now coming in was getting a car in Q3 2024 for an Cayenne S e-hybrid coupe...but he had an open Cayenne Turbo e Hybrid coupe for Q2 2024. Tempting but cost difference was about $20-25k between the two and only talking 3-4 mos difference delivery wise if all stays as estimated. So I chose to go with the S e-hybrid option....just waiting my turn in the allocation line now!
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I think it is worth it and the e-hybrid should not have been released. The difference is so small - especially in a car with many options - that simple only the s e-hybrid should have been released from the beginning.
This comes from an e-hybrid owner - if I knew the s e-hybrid is coming out 2 months after I would really go for that. The difference on my build is 8k on 150k - so this is why I have mentioned they should have only gone with the s e-hybrid from the beginning.
This comes from an e-hybrid owner - if I knew the s e-hybrid is coming out 2 months after I would really go for that. The difference on my build is 8k on 150k - so this is why I have mentioned they should have only gone with the s e-hybrid from the beginning.
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I think it is worth it and the e-hybrid should not have been released. The difference is so small - especially in a car with many options - that simple only the s e-hybrid should have been released from the beginning.
This comes from an e-hybrid owner - if I knew the s e-hybrid is coming out 2 months after I would really go for that. The difference on my build is 8k on 150k - so this is why I have mentioned they should have only gone with the s e-hybrid from the beginning.
This comes from an e-hybrid owner - if I knew the s e-hybrid is coming out 2 months after I would really go for that. The difference on my build is 8k on 150k - so this is why I have mentioned they should have only gone with the s e-hybrid from the beginning.
That said, I can actually see the schedule difference being fairly nominal IF the reason for my current delay is EPA approval of the detuned Base engine and the regular Base engine has already been approved - a long shot wild *** guess. I’ll see what my sales guy says and take it from there.
On edit: I spoke to my sales guy and was told this:
1. Allocations for the S Hybrid aren’t posted yet. Most likely “you’d be looking at Fall 24” (as noted above). It will most probably be a MY25. Keep in mind that when I ordered my base hybrid in Apr2023, my delivery was Fall 23. Now it’s late Spring 2024. If it was “two months” then OK. This is “God knows when”.
2. FWIW, my base hybrid (now “due” in late May/early June) will probably be a MY 2025. Nothing official, just their best guess. But they’re one of 25 Premier Dealerships and have been at it for a long time, so it’s a fairly educated guess.
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My price increase would be about half that, but I’m not willing to drag this out until Fall 2024. I will not be driving it on a track so the extra power is of questionable worth to me.
That said, I can actually see the schedule difference being fairly nominal IF the reason for my current delay is EPA approval of the detuned Base engine and the regular Base engine has already been approved - a long shot wild *** guess. I’ll see what my sales guy says and take it from there.
On edit: I spoke to my sales guy and was told this:
1. Allocations for the S Hybrid aren’t posted yet. Most likely “you’d be looking at Fall 24” (as noted above). It will most probably be a MY25. Keep in mind that when I ordered my base hybrid in Apr2023, my delivery was Fall 23. Now it’s late Spring 2024. If it was “two months” then OK. This is “God knows when”.
2. FWIW, my base hybrid (now “due” in late May/early June) will probably be a MY 2025. Nothing official, just their best guess. But they’re one of 25 Premier Dealerships and have been at it for a long time, so it’s a fairly educated guess.
That said, I can actually see the schedule difference being fairly nominal IF the reason for my current delay is EPA approval of the detuned Base engine and the regular Base engine has already been approved - a long shot wild *** guess. I’ll see what my sales guy says and take it from there.
On edit: I spoke to my sales guy and was told this:
1. Allocations for the S Hybrid aren’t posted yet. Most likely “you’d be looking at Fall 24” (as noted above). It will most probably be a MY25. Keep in mind that when I ordered my base hybrid in Apr2023, my delivery was Fall 23. Now it’s late Spring 2024. If it was “two months” then OK. This is “God knows when”.
2. FWIW, my base hybrid (now “due” in late May/early June) will probably be a MY 2025. Nothing official, just their best guess. But they’re one of 25 Premier Dealerships and have been at it for a long time, so it’s a fairly educated guess.
My daily/main driver now is a 22 BMW M4 Competition Package so if my wait for the Cayenne S e-hybrid ends up being Fall 2024 then that is what it is. I do hope the Cayenne S e hybrid will be a comparable drive in terms of AWD and power delivery as well. I think HP/Torque figures match up pretty much between the two, Cayenne S e hybrid will be a replacement for the BMW unless I decide to keep both. I built a Cayenne Turbo e hybrid today on the website and mein gott as the germans would say..the price was just too much. I stopped midway thru it cause I just couldn't justify the options vs the price again! It is pretty tho if you got it...go for it. Amazing they can make it so performance wise.
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In US, the S E hybrid comes with several options you could add to the base E hybrid, specifically
air suspension
sport chrono pkg
sport exhaust
HD matrix LED headlights
Metal gas/brake pedals
Red disc brake calipers
? air purifier
there may be some other additional minor features, BUT
the main difference, which is not available to be added to the base hybrid is the extra 48 horsepower, 348 hp on the S hybrid vs 300 on the base hybrid, although both use the same 3.0L V6 gas engine. Electric motors and hp are the same.
If they were both offered at MSRP I'd go for the S ehybrid, but one local dealer quoted me msrp on the base hybrid and $7.5K - $10K markup on the S hybrid - which I was not comfortable with.
Link from Porsche news Sept 26, 2023 https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2023...rid-33885.html
air suspension
sport chrono pkg
sport exhaust
HD matrix LED headlights
Metal gas/brake pedals
Red disc brake calipers
? air purifier
there may be some other additional minor features, BUT
the main difference, which is not available to be added to the base hybrid is the extra 48 horsepower, 348 hp on the S hybrid vs 300 on the base hybrid, although both use the same 3.0L V6 gas engine. Electric motors and hp are the same.
If they were both offered at MSRP I'd go for the S ehybrid, but one local dealer quoted me msrp on the base hybrid and $7.5K - $10K markup on the S hybrid - which I was not comfortable with.
Link from Porsche news Sept 26, 2023 https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2023...rid-33885.html
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In US, the S E hybrid comes with several options you could add to the base E hybrid, specifically
air suspension
sport chrono pkg
sport exhaust
HD matrix LED headlights
Metal gas/brake pedals
Red disc brake calipers
? air purifier
there may be some other additional minor features, BUT
the main difference, which is not available to be added to the base hybrid is the extra 48 horsepower, 348 hp on the S hybrid vs 300 on the base hybrid, although both use the same 3.0L V6 gas engine. Electric motors and hp are the same.
If they were both offered at MSRP I'd go for the S ehybrid, but one local dealer quoted me msrp on the base hybrid and $7.5K - $10K markup on the S hybrid - which I was not comfortable with.
Link from Porsche news Sept 26, 2023 https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2023...rid-33885.html
air suspension
sport chrono pkg
sport exhaust
HD matrix LED headlights
Metal gas/brake pedals
Red disc brake calipers
? air purifier
there may be some other additional minor features, BUT
the main difference, which is not available to be added to the base hybrid is the extra 48 horsepower, 348 hp on the S hybrid vs 300 on the base hybrid, although both use the same 3.0L V6 gas engine. Electric motors and hp are the same.
If they were both offered at MSRP I'd go for the S ehybrid, but one local dealer quoted me msrp on the base hybrid and $7.5K - $10K markup on the S hybrid - which I was not comfortable with.
Link from Porsche news Sept 26, 2023 https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2023...rid-33885.html
I cannot comment on the dealer markup but honestly now that the S E-Hybrid has been released the E-Hybrid does not make any sense for any customer. These are 110k-140k cars - with the needed options - so honestly there is no reason for the e-hybrid model to exist in order to save 5k (with air suspension) on a 120k car . This comes from a new E-hybrid owner
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Dealer allocations should be generous, I think dealers in the US are overplaying their card or just playing their card now that the demand is very high. But considering first time buyers will get a turbo gt if they want a turbo gt I see no car in the cayenne line that is difficult to get.
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As I mentioned before I see Porsche having a problem to sell the e-hybrid and not thev s e-hybrid. The price difference is so small that the e-hybrid does not make sense - if I knew the S e-hybrid was coming I would just wait.
Dealers know this and they take advantage of this but come on - this is not a car to ask ADM on.
Dealers know this and they take advantage of this but come on - this is not a car to ask ADM on.