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Originally Posted by Cole View Post
Hmmm.....according to the "road holding 300ft" skid pad tests the 928 did 0.83 and a Cayenne does 0.95(GTS) and .90(turbo)
I don't think it's a matter of lower quality parts between lines. I think it more has to do with how the compared cars are used and cared for.
The typical 911, for example, sees relatively few miles which implies less usage of the switches and buttons. A 911 is also typically owned by owned by people that are overly meticulous about the car.
A typical Cayenne, on the other hand, is a daily driver, has kids riding around in it, and is driven by less obsessed people.
It would stand to reason that such circumstances would see more wear than a sports car that is lightly used. It's therefore not safe to assume that the signs of wear or lack thereof are related to a quality difference.
I have also seen some high milage 9x7 interiors that look ratty as all hell. We won't talk about the non-full-leather interior of your "favorite" 911 and I've seen 993 interiors that haven't held up well either. So I would say Porsche is using questionable quality parts all around and it's nothing to do with the P!gs specifically. They just (on average) see the most abuse in the brand.
I agree with Karl, the faux chrome/aluminum bits in my 958 don't worry me. It's the "soft touch" film they put on some parts. That crap never holds up and it looks like crap when it starts to come off.
You guys make a lot of great points about the interior of the Cayenne. One interesting point I would make that never struck me until reading your posts about the interior was that during my search for a Cayenne, I looked at a ton of 2011+ Turbos before buying my 2009. I would say that more than 75% of the Carfax reports I looked at for the 2011+ models had "Interior Trim Repair or Interior Trim Replacement" at one of the Porsche visits within the first 60k miles. I didn't understand what it meant, why so many interior parts were being replaced, and why it was so common. It didn't factor into my decision necessarily, but interesting nonetheless. I wonder if they changed the process of making the plastic parts.
Pretty much yes. However, I was thinking more along the lines of: If a 928 was the getaway car loaded with say 1700lbs of gold bullion heisted from a local castle. would it be able to take the curves at the same speed as it did when they tested the getaway route?
Originally Posted by Cole
Did you know that one of the design goals for the Cayenne is that it had to stop in the same time/distance as the same year 911?
Porsche found the SUV manufacturers made excuses for lazy engineering on SUVs instead of just setting a goal and engineering to it!
There are dozens of videos out there that show Cayennes hanging out right with(close enough) similar year 911.
The Cayenne is a marvel of engineering and defies the common ideals people think of when they think of an SUV.
Best tow rig I've ever had too!!
No I didn't know that about the stopping distances and I agree about it being a marvel of engineering. This is why I want one and why I am on Rennlist. Good stuff!
Pretty much yes. However, I was thinking more along the lines of: If a 928 was the getaway car loaded with say 1700lbs of gold bullion heisted from a local castle. would it be able to take the curves at the same speed as it did when they tested the getaway route?
Well, even though the 928 was rated to tow 3,550lbs it only allowed for a 100lb tongue weight.
Compared to the Cayenne with its 700lb tongue rating and 7716lb towing capacity.
Part of the issue is that people view the high roofline and make handling assumptions instead of looking at where the weight in the Cayenne actually is and how it puts it to the ground.
You guys make a lot of great points about the interior of the Cayenne. One interesting point I would make that never struck me until reading your posts about the interior was that during my search for a Cayenne, I looked at a ton of 2011+ Turbos before buying my 2009. I would say that more than 75% of the Carfax reports I looked at for the 2011+ models had "Interior Trim Repair or Interior Trim Replacement" at one of the Porsche visits within the first 60k miles. I didn't understand what it meant, why so many interior parts were being replaced, and why it was so common. It didn't factor into my decision necessarily, but interesting nonetheless. I wonder if they changed the process of making the plastic parts.
For several models they went completely ape**** with the chrome trim. Way over the top and overkill with the flashy stuff. Supposedly it was a way to make the higher end models different but it ended up looking like crap and flaking/wearing off, hence all the warranty work. Just pull up some interior photos of some for sale, and its obvious. The trim actually looks like Asian import models. I sometimes doubt Porsche quality control is on the job.
Can someone please post a close up picture of this flaking interior trim that KrazyK & BlackTurboS are talking about?
Gnat said he has seen it on 957's,... but I thought I saw someone reference it happening on 958's too.
I only have 25k miles on my 958 CTT, and now you guys got me worried the interior is going to look like crap in another 50k miles. I'd like to see what I should be looking for.
I have only seen it on the ones with the loaded interiors that have the chrome lined type switches, controls, etc. There's chrome trim all over everything and it seems to flake and peel off, I assume from the frequent operation of the particular control where ones fingernail or something catches it. Its obvious but maybe a little hard to see in photos.
Oddly enough, the lower optioned interiors, even on the earlier models, don't seem to do this. I would imagine the warranty would cover it on the newer ones. Have there been that many where there were warranty claims? On a positive note, I don't think its possible to have CEF from this.
I have only seen it on the ones with the loaded interiors that have the chrome lined type switches, controls, etc. There's chrome trim all over everything and it seems to flake and peel off, I assume from the frequent operation of the particular control where ones fingernail or something catches it. Its obvious but maybe a little hard to see in photos.
Oddly enough, the lower optioned interiors, even on the earlier models, don't seem to do this. I would imagine the warranty would cover it on the newer ones. Have there been that many where there were warranty claims? On a positive note, I don't think its possible to have CEF from this.
I have heard that it is things like suntan lotion and hand cream that wicks underneath and weakens the adhesive properties of whatever. It looks just as bad on BMWs where the things like the picture of the fan for the blower switch wears off or the chrome around the start button flakes away.
Can someone please post a close up picture of this flaking interior trim that KrazyK & BlackTurboS are talking about?
Gnat said he has seen it on 957's,... but I thought I saw someone reference it happening on 958's too.
I only have 25k miles on my 958 CTT, and now you guys got me worried the interior is going to look like crap in another 50k miles. I'd like to see what I should be looking for.
Thanks in advance,
=Steve
This type of damage is relatively common in cars which I have viewed.
01-19-2016 | 11:39 AM
