New 2015 Cayennes announced
07-28-2014, 10:13 PM
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With respect to your opinion, staying with the atmo 8 would have been fatal and Porsche saw that. Sales on V8P had become virtually non existent, heavily discounted at best and that was mainly due to the majority of SUV buyers shopping these cars recognizing the diesel as the superior power plant drive wise between the two. The V8P also drunk like a fish when pushed to deliver the same performance of the V6D and therefore became simply uneconomical for this type of car.
The V6T was the most logical way forward, more power, better torque at lower rpms, uses less fuel etc. The diesel (even though not up-rated) will still be prove the better seller and better buy long term than any V8P, or V6TP. The V6P also had to go as it simply didn't perform anywhere near the diesel either and again sucked fuel when driven hard to compete. Sales were virtually non existent as well, needless to add the constant shuffling of the gearbox in finding a gear that would provide adequate sensation was down right annoying.
I think the gen 2 will prove to be equally as good as a seller primarily because those looking for a new SUV will recognize its strengths. It will be mainly the current 958 owners (myself inc) that will not see the motivation to change.
The V6T was the most logical way forward, more power, better torque at lower rpms, uses less fuel etc. The diesel (even though not up-rated) will still be prove the better seller and better buy long term than any V8P, or V6TP. The V6P also had to go as it simply didn't perform anywhere near the diesel either and again sucked fuel when driven hard to compete. Sales were virtually non existent as well, needless to add the constant shuffling of the gearbox in finding a gear that would provide adequate sensation was down right annoying.
I think the gen 2 will prove to be equally as good as a seller primarily because those looking for a new SUV will recognize its strengths. It will be mainly the current 958 owners (myself inc) that will not see the motivation to change.
07-29-2014, 09:33 AM
#78
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if this site is to be believed
https://www.stuttcars.com/porsche-models/cayenne/958.2/
the 958.1 and 958.2 are 4553lb and 4597lb respectively
https://www.stuttcars.com/porsche-models/cayenne/958.2/
the 958.1 and 958.2 are 4553lb and 4597lb respectively
07-29-2014, 09:42 AM
#79
if this site is to be believed
https://www.stuttcars.com/porsche-models/cayenne/958.2/
the 958.1 and 958.2 are 4553lb and 4597lb respectively
https://www.stuttcars.com/porsche-models/cayenne/958.2/
the 958.1 and 958.2 are 4553lb and 4597lb respectively
07-29-2014, 09:47 AM
#80
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I am ordering an S but wish it had the old V8. Why? I don't care about mileage as I just don't drive that many miles to affect me. The TT V6 is more complicated it also is unbalanced because it is a 90 degree block. So they added a balance shaft
to smooth out vibrations. TT, Balance Shaft adds more complexity means more chance of failure. Mercedes had such a shaft and had all kinds of related gear failures. They now build 60 degree V6's that are balanced and don't need a shaft. If you drive the V6 at part throttle the Turbos will not produce any boost and you are running a NA V6. Put your foot in it and you will use almost just as much gas as before.
I never get better than 15 MPG on my 911 around town I don't expect to even get that on my TT Cayenne but I don't care.
to smooth out vibrations. TT, Balance Shaft adds more complexity means more chance of failure. Mercedes had such a shaft and had all kinds of related gear failures. They now build 60 degree V6's that are balanced and don't need a shaft. If you drive the V6 at part throttle the Turbos will not produce any boost and you are running a NA V6. Put your foot in it and you will use almost just as much gas as before.
I never get better than 15 MPG on my 911 around town I don't expect to even get that on my TT Cayenne but I don't care.
The general rule of thumb is your burn .5 lb of petrol for every hp per hour. Some engines or more or less efficient but that's the general rule. You put out more work and you use more petrol. There is no magic here.
The advantage of the V6 TT over the 8 as I see it is that you do have the option of lower power / better mpg if you wish. If you don't or you really have managed to get only 15 mpg in a 911 (which model?) maybe you drive even in the city so aggressively that a V8 would work for you the same but not for me and for others.
I doubt I ever got below 20 mpg in either the SC or the 993 - around town. I guess you live in Rapid City
07-29-2014, 10:14 AM
#81
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07-30-2014, 09:40 PM
#82
Not much change to the styling however....I'd say it has gone back a little more to a 957 with slightly boxier lines and a chunkier front and rear end. They dialed out some of the 958 Nissan Murano look at least. I'm liking the '15.
07-30-2014, 10:24 PM
#83
+ Premium package etc. No Bose. I just had to stop at $92K
According to the build sheet should be at the dealer Dec 26.
07-31-2014, 10:16 AM
#85
Burning Brakes
With respect to your opinion, staying with the atmo 8 would have been fatal and Porsche saw that. Sales on V8P had become virtually non existent, heavily discounted at best and that was mainly due to the majority of SUV buyers shopping these cars recognizing the diesel as the superior power plant drive wise between the two. The V8P also drunk like a fish when pushed to deliver the same performance of the V6D and therefore became simply uneconomical for this type of car.
The V6T was the most logical way forward, more power, better torque at lower rpms, uses less fuel etc. The diesel (even though not up-rated) will still be prove the better seller and better buy long term than any V8P, or V6TP. The V6P also had to go as it simply didn't perform anywhere near the diesel either and again sucked fuel when driven hard to compete. Sales were virtually non existent as well, needless to add the constant shuffling of the gearbox in finding a gear that would provide adequate sensation was down right annoying.
I think the gen 2 will prove to be equally as good as a seller primarily because those looking for a new SUV will recognize its strengths. It will be mainly the current 958 owners (myself inc) that will not see the motivation to change.
The V6T was the most logical way forward, more power, better torque at lower rpms, uses less fuel etc. The diesel (even though not up-rated) will still be prove the better seller and better buy long term than any V8P, or V6TP. The V6P also had to go as it simply didn't perform anywhere near the diesel either and again sucked fuel when driven hard to compete. Sales were virtually non existent as well, needless to add the constant shuffling of the gearbox in finding a gear that would provide adequate sensation was down right annoying.
I think the gen 2 will prove to be equally as good as a seller primarily because those looking for a new SUV will recognize its strengths. It will be mainly the current 958 owners (myself inc) that will not see the motivation to change.
07-31-2014, 11:41 AM
#87
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Reading the specs on the TT V6 makes it look more attractive to me than the V8 ever could be. I haven't any idea why anybody is stuck on these V8's. This isn't 1954 where V8 meant power. Today it means too many cylinders given the new intensity possible.
The old non TT V8 made 83 hp per liter. The new V6 TT makes 117 hp / liter or an increase of almost 45%. Less displacement; more power. Why want to move backwards? What next - a desire for a pushrod flathead? I'm sure our ancestors missed that too.
The old non TT V8 made 83 hp per liter. The new V6 TT makes 117 hp / liter or an increase of almost 45%. Less displacement; more power. Why want to move backwards? What next - a desire for a pushrod flathead? I'm sure our ancestors missed that too.
07-31-2014, 12:49 PM
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