Buy the Range Rover and Get My Cayenne Deposit Back?
10-30-2002, 08:56 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by sawmilldriver:
<strong>Othello, what rides are you going to buy once you move back to England?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Still up in the air...
I've had 4 M-B's for business purposes over the last 4 years (E430, S430, CL500, CL55AMG) and have been thinking about going back to the S-Class in the UK but every time I've rented a big car when over there on business it's been more of a pain than a pleasure. Roads too small, can't park them anywhere,etc...
Therefore, I'm thinking the new '03 E320/500 or an M5 (never owned a BMW before, hmmm). If we stay there longer than a year I'll get a Porsche for my fun time.
I think we're staying with Audi for my wife. She loves her allroad (so do I) and I think we'll pick a demonstrator up with 2-3000 miles for her.
We've got an allroad here and a 3 month old 996 that are leased if you know of anybody that wants a good deal to take them over.
<strong>Othello, what rides are you going to buy once you move back to England?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Still up in the air...
I've had 4 M-B's for business purposes over the last 4 years (E430, S430, CL500, CL55AMG) and have been thinking about going back to the S-Class in the UK but every time I've rented a big car when over there on business it's been more of a pain than a pleasure. Roads too small, can't park them anywhere,etc...
Therefore, I'm thinking the new '03 E320/500 or an M5 (never owned a BMW before, hmmm). If we stay there longer than a year I'll get a Porsche for my fun time.
I think we're staying with Audi for my wife. She loves her allroad (so do I) and I think we'll pick a demonstrator up with 2-3000 miles for her.
We've got an allroad here and a 3 month old 996 that are leased if you know of anybody that wants a good deal to take them over.
10-31-2002, 12:05 PM
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Why does anyone need an SUV that can go 0-60 in 5 seconds? Well, aside from the obvious safety reasons (passing ability, ability to accelerate out of harms way) because ITS FUN! In the real world, driving around in an SUV should be fun, not purely utilitarian.
10-31-2002, 12:15 PM
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By the way Othello, If the Cayenne is so horrible then why are you on this discussion thread? If the build quality is so bad on Porsches then why do you supposedly own a 911? Generally people that are so negative are just jealous, insecure or don't actually have any real world experience with the topic that is being discussed so I am wondering where you fit in here.
10-31-2002, 12:27 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Ibanez:
<strong>Why does anyone need an SUV that can go 0-60 in 5 seconds? Well, aside from the obvious safety reasons (passing ability, ability to accelerate out of harms way) because ITS FUN! In the real world, driving around in an SUV should be fun, not purely utilitarian.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You just don't get it do you....
If you want fun don't get a SUV PERIOD!!!!
If you want to have fun driving and SUV then take it off-road in the big rocks and tough trails. This is the "Sport" in SUV. Otherwise they are NOT fun... My Jeep Cherokee is ok on the streets. It gets me from place to place and haul crap. That is the utility. The sport is talking it off-road and exploring.
Do you know how to make an SUV fun... Take the weight down to 3000lbs, Lower the thing down a much as possible and shorten the wheel base and stiffen the suspension...
Hmm do all that and you have a station wagon!!!
<strong>Why does anyone need an SUV that can go 0-60 in 5 seconds? Well, aside from the obvious safety reasons (passing ability, ability to accelerate out of harms way) because ITS FUN! In the real world, driving around in an SUV should be fun, not purely utilitarian.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You just don't get it do you....
If you want fun don't get a SUV PERIOD!!!!
If you want to have fun driving and SUV then take it off-road in the big rocks and tough trails. This is the "Sport" in SUV. Otherwise they are NOT fun... My Jeep Cherokee is ok on the streets. It gets me from place to place and haul crap. That is the utility. The sport is talking it off-road and exploring.
Do you know how to make an SUV fun... Take the weight down to 3000lbs, Lower the thing down a much as possible and shorten the wheel base and stiffen the suspension...
Hmm do all that and you have a station wagon!!!
10-31-2002, 04:26 PM
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Obviously your idea of fun is not the same as mine. I don't care whether you are driving an SUV, formula car or street car, when you step on the pedal and the vehicle gets up and goes, to me that is fun. I don't need to have dirt instead of asphalt under my tire to justify it.
I get it, I don't think you do
I get it, I don't think you do
10-31-2002, 05:11 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Ibanez:
<strong>I don't need to have dirt instead of asphalt under my tire to justify it.
I get it, I don't think you do </strong><hr></blockquote>
Then why do you need an SUV??....
You are right I JUST DON'T GET....
And that is why I don't get the whole Cayenne thing!
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<strong>I don't need to have dirt instead of asphalt under my tire to justify it.
I get it, I don't think you do
</strong><hr></blockquote>Then why do you need an SUV??....
You are right I JUST DON'T GET....
And that is why I don't get the whole Cayenne thing!
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10-31-2002, 07:18 PM
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Um, for being offroad in good and bad weather, for carrying larger numbers of passengers and cargo, etc., etc., etc..
Clearly if you enjoy performance driving, you would not want to own an underperforming vehicle (ie; SUV) since you will not be driving it offroad 100% of the time. I can't explain it anymore because if you don't get it, you won't get it I guess if we all had the same opinions, then this message board would be pretty uninteresting. <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />
Clearly if you enjoy performance driving, you would not want to own an underperforming vehicle (ie; SUV) since you will not be driving it offroad 100% of the time. I can't explain it anymore because if you don't get it, you won't get it
I guess if we all had the same opinions, then this message board would be pretty uninteresting. <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />
10-31-2002, 08:21 PM
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Part of the original question was getting the deposit back, a later post says California has laws against non refundable deposite.
So, Which is it? Frankly, if I were a "Successful businessman" and had put down 1k on a vehicle and changed my mind, I would simply walk away and not worry about it. After all, isn't that kind of money just chump change?
Othello and all, everyone is welcome to their opinions, positive or negative. No one has the right to tell you or anyone that they should not post on a certain subject because of their dissenting views, provided the view is given in good taste and does not include off color language or personal insults.
So, Which is it? Frankly, if I were a "Successful businessman" and had put down 1k on a vehicle and changed my mind, I would simply walk away and not worry about it. After all, isn't that kind of money just chump change?
Othello and all, everyone is welcome to their opinions, positive or negative. No one has the right to tell you or anyone that they should not post on a certain subject because of their dissenting views, provided the view is given in good taste and does not include off color language or personal insults.
10-31-2002, 10:12 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Ibanez:
<strong>By the way Othello, If the Cayenne is so horrible then why are you on this discussion thread? If the build quality is so bad on Porsches then why do you supposedly own a 911? Generally people that are so negative are just jealous, insecure or don't actually have any real world experience with the topic that is being discussed so I am wondering where you fit in here.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ibanez - I came to the Cayenne forum originally because I found that there were quite a few Porsche owners that also owned an allroad. I found that pretty interesting as you don't see many allroads but in one forum there's a bunch of them. Furthermore, there were a number of topics started on the subject of the allroad and, as an owner, I wanted to participate. I have come into this particular thread because the question posed has nothing to do with loving or hating the Cayenne and everything to do with helping somebody make a purchasing decision.
Your next question regarding build quality is an intersting one. You ask why I would "supposedly" own a 911 when I believe the quality is bad. You have the cart before the horse there my friend. I do own a 911 and I do think the quality is suspect. It wa sonly after I purchased the car I discovered this. My initial problems with the car are discussed in the 996 forum. Do a search if you're interested.
I have experienced VW quality (I owned a Golf GTI in the UK years ago) and it was fantastic. My wife has had her allroad for over a year and I must say that the quality of build exceeds the Mercedes-Benz cars I have had (E430, S430, CL500 and CL55AMG) over the past 4 years. I have the highest confidence in VW/Audi. My statement about the Cayenne quality comparison was a "probably" not a certainty. I have also owned (for my wife to drive) a Land Rover Discovery II and thought the build quality excellent also.
Finally, I don't think my post was that negative. It's an observation for goodness sake based upon what I have experienced owning every marque mentioned in this post!! My tendancy to recommend the RR over the Cayenne is based on the 30 odd years of evolution that the RR has had and it's tried and tested by the British police. The Cayenne is a first generation model and, to be honest, I think it's misplaced. If I wanted that kind of performance and room for 5 people I'd buy an M5 or an S55 AMG. If I wanted an SUV to carry the kids around I'd buy an allroad like I have because they're safer. If I wanted an off-road vehicle I'd buy a Range ROver or a Land Cruiser. If I wanted a combination of them all I'd buy a Range Rover 4.6 or the X54.6i or whatever it is or an ML55AMG.
I simply could not bring myself to buy the Cayenne mainly because of the looks but more because people who can afford $80,000 SUV's (myself included) have other cars available that will be used for whatever purpose is required at that time.
If I want to have the performance I use my 911. Need to take the kids to school, use the allroad. Need to haul lumber from Lowes, have them deliver it. Need to take 5 people to a restaurant for a nice dinner, few bottles of wine, cocktails and a cigar, get a limo 'cos I never drink and drive
Peace.
<strong>By the way Othello, If the Cayenne is so horrible then why are you on this discussion thread? If the build quality is so bad on Porsches then why do you supposedly own a 911? Generally people that are so negative are just jealous, insecure or don't actually have any real world experience with the topic that is being discussed so I am wondering where you fit in here.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ibanez - I came to the Cayenne forum originally because I found that there were quite a few Porsche owners that also owned an allroad. I found that pretty interesting as you don't see many allroads but in one forum there's a bunch of them. Furthermore, there were a number of topics started on the subject of the allroad and, as an owner, I wanted to participate. I have come into this particular thread because the question posed has nothing to do with loving or hating the Cayenne and everything to do with helping somebody make a purchasing decision.
Your next question regarding build quality is an intersting one. You ask why I would "supposedly" own a 911 when I believe the quality is bad. You have the cart before the horse there my friend. I do own a 911 and I do think the quality is suspect. It wa sonly after I purchased the car I discovered this. My initial problems with the car are discussed in the 996 forum. Do a search if you're interested.
I have experienced VW quality (I owned a Golf GTI in the UK years ago) and it was fantastic. My wife has had her allroad for over a year and I must say that the quality of build exceeds the Mercedes-Benz cars I have had (E430, S430, CL500 and CL55AMG) over the past 4 years. I have the highest confidence in VW/Audi. My statement about the Cayenne quality comparison was a "probably" not a certainty. I have also owned (for my wife to drive) a Land Rover Discovery II and thought the build quality excellent also.
Finally, I don't think my post was that negative. It's an observation for goodness sake based upon what I have experienced owning every marque mentioned in this post!! My tendancy to recommend the RR over the Cayenne is based on the 30 odd years of evolution that the RR has had and it's tried and tested by the British police. The Cayenne is a first generation model and, to be honest, I think it's misplaced. If I wanted that kind of performance and room for 5 people I'd buy an M5 or an S55 AMG. If I wanted an SUV to carry the kids around I'd buy an allroad like I have because they're safer. If I wanted an off-road vehicle I'd buy a Range ROver or a Land Cruiser. If I wanted a combination of them all I'd buy a Range Rover 4.6 or the X54.6i or whatever it is or an ML55AMG.
I simply could not bring myself to buy the Cayenne mainly because of the looks but more because people who can afford $80,000 SUV's (myself included) have other cars available that will be used for whatever purpose is required at that time.
If I want to have the performance I use my 911. Need to take the kids to school, use the allroad. Need to haul lumber from Lowes, have them deliver it. Need to take 5 people to a restaurant for a nice dinner, few bottles of wine, cocktails and a cigar, get a limo 'cos I never drink and drive
Peace.
11-01-2002, 02:51 AM
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Hello all, just chiming in here to say that I enjoyed Othello's last post. i have to agree with most of it. I have mixed feeling about the Cayenne but I must disclose that I am anti-suv. I hate suv's across the board. I am not going to waste your reading time with my diatribes but I will provide you with a humorous link I found about this a while back.------><a href="http://poseur.4x4.org/" target="_blank">4x4 humor</a>
I am considering an Audi A4 avant for our next car. My wife and I need a bit more room than our Chrysler(crap) for daily usage. I cannot afford the allroad but if I could, I would ****** one up in a heartbeat. Well since I have strayed so far <img src="graemlins/offtopic.gif" border="0" alt="[offtopic]" /> , I think I will ramble elsewhere. Thanks for the entertaining thoughts and opinions.
I am considering an Audi A4 avant for our next car. My wife and I need a bit more room than our Chrysler(crap) for daily usage. I cannot afford the allroad but if I could, I would ****** one up in a heartbeat. Well since I have strayed so far <img src="graemlins/offtopic.gif" border="0" alt="[offtopic]" /> , I think I will ramble elsewhere. Thanks for the entertaining thoughts and opinions.
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Then why do you need an SUV??....
Have any of your heard of a thing that floats in water, ummmm.. a boat... or...what about that thing that you put a track car in... um..a... trailer... sorry just can't see towing my boat and trailer with a station wagon, you need power, torque, space to take 5 people in comfortably...
see it call comes down to needs, if you don't have these things then sure go buy a station wagon to hall your kids in. If you do have these toys wouldn't the SUV be the best thing since slice bread? Isn't easier to put kids in and out of? Why do you need a 300 hp car the seats only 2 comfortably in? If you can afford both of them wouldn't that be the best of both worlds?
Have any of your heard of a thing that floats in water, ummmm.. a boat... or...what about that thing that you put a track car in... um..a... trailer... sorry just can't see towing my boat and trailer with a station wagon, you need power, torque, space to take 5 people in comfortably...
see it call comes down to needs, if you don't have these things then sure go buy a station wagon to hall your kids in. If you do have these toys wouldn't the SUV be the best thing since slice bread? Isn't easier to put kids in and out of? Why do you need a 300 hp car the seats only 2 comfortably in? If you can afford both of them wouldn't that be the best of both worlds?
11-01-2002, 08:52 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by Kevin M.:
<strong>Then why do you need an SUV??....
Have any of your heard of a thing that floats in water, ummmm.. a boat... or...what about that thing that you put a track car in... um..a... trailer... sorry just can't see towing my boat and trailer with a station wagon, you need power, torque, space to take 5 people in comfortably...
see it call comes down to needs, if you don't have these things then sure go buy a station wagon to hall your kids in. If you do have these toys wouldn't the SUV be the best thing since slice bread? Isn't easier to put kids in and out of? Why do you need a 300 hp car the seats only 2 comfortably in? If you can afford both of them wouldn't that be the best of both worlds?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Kevin,
The thing that floats...umm.. yup... still not an issue for me. Even a Cayenne isn't going to pull a 45' Sea Ray . If I had to trailer a car or a bike to a race track then I'd probably use a truck like an F-150/250. My experience of racing has me a little nervous parking an $80,000 vehicle in the [its due to the close proximity of all the teams, the cars, scooters flying around, etc.
I agree on the trailer thing and a small boat but, as I suggested, if you owned a Range Rover you'd be fine. I think I'd rather have a RR on a wet boat ramp than a Cayenne.
Not sure if you have kids Kevin, we have a 1 and 3 year old. We had an SUV before the allroad and we changed over after our 2nd child was born. It's actually easier with the allroad because the 3 year old can actually climb into her car seat herself.
The bigger picture for me is safety. I believe that my family is safer in an audi allroad than an SUV.
<strong>Then why do you need an SUV??....
Have any of your heard of a thing that floats in water, ummmm.. a boat... or...what about that thing that you put a track car in... um..a... trailer... sorry just can't see towing my boat and trailer with a station wagon, you need power, torque, space to take 5 people in comfortably...
see it call comes down to needs, if you don't have these things then sure go buy a station wagon to hall your kids in. If you do have these toys wouldn't the SUV be the best thing since slice bread? Isn't easier to put kids in and out of? Why do you need a 300 hp car the seats only 2 comfortably in? If you can afford both of them wouldn't that be the best of both worlds?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Kevin,
The thing that floats...umm.. yup... still not an issue for me. Even a Cayenne isn't going to pull a 45' Sea Ray . If I had to trailer a car or a bike to a race track then I'd probably use a truck like an F-150/250. My experience of racing has me a little nervous parking an $80,000 vehicle in the [its due to the close proximity of all the teams, the cars, scooters flying around, etc.
I agree on the trailer thing and a small boat but, as I suggested, if you owned a Range Rover you'd be fine. I think I'd rather have a RR on a wet boat ramp than a Cayenne.
Not sure if you have kids Kevin, we have a 1 and 3 year old. We had an SUV before the allroad and we changed over after our 2nd child was born. It's actually easier with the allroad because the 3 year old can actually climb into her car seat herself.
The bigger picture for me is safety. I believe that my family is safer in an audi allroad than an SUV.
11-01-2002, 11:04 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by Othello:
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Kevin,
The thing that floats...umm.. yup... still not an issue for me. Even a Cayenne isn't going to pull a 45' Sea Ray . If I had to trailer a car or a bike to a race track then I'd probably use a truck like an F-150/250. My experience of racing has me a little nervous parking an $80,000 vehicle in the [its due to the close proximity of all the teams, the cars, scooters flying around, etc.
The bigger picture for me is safety. I believe that my family is safer in an audi allroad than an SUV.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Othello... We may disagree on merits of the Range Rover, BUT I completely agree with your assessment on the SUV thing. <img src="graemlins/bigok.gif" border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" />
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Kevin,
The thing that floats...umm.. yup... still not an issue for me. Even a Cayenne isn't going to pull a 45' Sea Ray . If I had to trailer a car or a bike to a race track then I'd probably use a truck like an F-150/250. My experience of racing has me a little nervous parking an $80,000 vehicle in the [its due to the close proximity of all the teams, the cars, scooters flying around, etc.
The bigger picture for me is safety. I believe that my family is safer in an audi allroad than an SUV.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Othello... We may disagree on merits of the Range Rover, BUT I completely agree with your assessment on the SUV thing. <img src="graemlins/bigok.gif" border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" />
11-01-2002, 01:58 PM
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Bob-learn to read before you submit your replies. I was not insulting him and the use of all the smiley faces obviously indicates that I was not trying to.
I am insulting you now because you are an idiot who pipes in without checking to see if they put their foot in their mouth (or in your case before I put mine in your ***).
Oh yeah, as a "successfull businessman" to a moron like you, lets follow some simple logic. I put $1,000 down on a refundable deposit. I haven't decided which SUV to get, so I haven't asked for my deposit back. Only someone as stupid as yourself would get their deposit back and lose their place in line in which case they would be screwed if they ultimately decided they wanted to get the vehicle or if they wanted to sell someone their place in line. You are right, the $1,000 doesn't matter to me which is why I have left it sitting at a dealer.
Please actually think about what you are saying before you respond to this post (or better yet, don't bother me with a response).
I am insulting you now because you are an idiot who pipes in without checking to see if they put their foot in their mouth (or in your case before I put mine in your ***).
Oh yeah, as a "successfull businessman" to a moron like you, lets follow some simple logic. I put $1,000 down on a refundable deposit. I haven't decided which SUV to get, so I haven't asked for my deposit back. Only someone as stupid as yourself would get their deposit back and lose their place in line in which case they would be screwed if they ultimately decided they wanted to get the vehicle or if they wanted to sell someone their place in line. You are right, the $1,000 doesn't matter to me which is why I have left it sitting at a dealer.
Please actually think about what you are saying before you respond to this post (or better yet, don't bother me with a response).