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Old 09-17-2002, 11:10 PM
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Steve,

Heated seats also means a heated steering wheel - who knew warm hands takes the nip off of a cold morning.

I highly recommend the option...
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Get the heated seats. I love them on our Allroad and our S4. It makes getting in the car in the mornings enjoyable. Not to mention the heated steering wheel! But then we live in Colorado. I would still get them.
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Thanks guys.

I will go with the heated seats, steering wheel, etc.

Ploglet, how is the 993 C4S search going?

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Old 09-18-2002, 06:40 PM
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Steve,
So you are getting an Allroad. It is a great car, pretty heavy compared to the TT, but all the same it is a do everything car. We love it when we go to the mountains and have to get around in some deep snow. And the added safety fo the all wheel drive makes it awesome. What color are you going to get? Let me know if you have any questions, maybe I can repay you with a few answers to Audi questions.....
The C4S search is still going on. I decided against the C4S out there at ParCars as there was too much unknown with the car. Much thanks to you for all the time you spent looking at it for me. I have been so busy with work that I have not had too much time to go out and look for the car. I kind of figured that in this economy the C4S is not going to go anywhere. So I will look in a couple of weeks when this project at work is completed. Hope to find a Silver/Black one....
Let me know when you get the Allroad.
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Ploglet,

I am inclined towards getting the atlas gray, but have not finalized that decision. What color is your allroad? My wife's X5 is silver and my turbo is black so I guess that kind of splits the difference.

I have to speak to the dealer today because the info that I have on the 2003 seems to indicate that the heated steering wheel only comes on the "cold weather package" with the 4.2l engine.

Any other info which you think I should have would be appreciated. When I do get the allroad it sounds like removing that 605 relay will be a priority. How easy is it to find and accomplish?

It certainly makes sense not to rush the C4S thing until you find just the car for you. I agree that abandoning that high miles car with less than meticulous maintenance makes sense. It was no inconvenience at all to check it out for you. Seeing and driving it only made me that much more appreciative of what my p-car is capable of and what great condition it is in.If I can be of any further assistance to you, let me know.

Thanks again.

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Old 09-20-2002, 03:46 PM
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<img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[burnout]" /> For all us Allroad TT lovers there is a great site that has some terriffic parts for uping the hp in the 2.7L. check out:
<a href="http://www.hoppenmotorsport.com/allroad.htm" target="_blank">http://www.hoppenmotorsport.com/allroad.htm</a>
very tempting
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Steve,
I am interested to hear what you have to say about the Allroad with the V8 in it. Ours is the Green color with the green interior. Strange at first but as my wife says, "it feels soothing". Ours has teh 2.7TT in it and it moves along really nicely on the highway. I am sure you will start to spend some time on the <a href="http://www.audiworld.com" target="_blank">www.audiworld.com</a> site. It is a wealth of knowledge. You can look for me on both the S4 and the Allroad forums under the same username, ploglet.
I think you are right on the heated steering wheel only coming with the winter package but it is a nice addition let me re-assure you.
I took the 605 relay out, although I think on the 2003, the relay is called a different number, 623 or something. It is easy although a little tight getting to the realy itself. Putting it back would be a chore I would think. I saved it and made notations on the directions it was placed before it came out.
Let me know when you get the car and how you like it. It is a wonderful car and a true joy to drive, although again, not as "spirited" as the TT. Until you hit that 2 foot high snow bank you need to go over!
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Ploglet,

Thanks for the additional info. I will also be getting the 2.7TT. What I was saying is that according to the new literature for 2003, it seems that the heated steering wheel is no longer available on the 2.7 even with the "cold weather package", only the 4.2 which I will not be getting. I asked the dealer to find out if that is true or just a misprint. No answer yet.

Thanks for the link to <a href="http://www.audiworld.com." target="_blank">www.audiworld.com.</a> I will definitely check it out.

I am looking forward to a winter that will hopefully make the allroad's abilities to handle the snow obvious.

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Not a lot of allroads here in LA and as mentioned before the dealers are discounting pretty heavily.

Don't call me crazy just yet but...I am contemplating trading my c4s for an allroad (still keeping the Club Sport) because of recent purchase of Mtn. Vacation home and my 2 year old son. Rather than sell the c4s and then turnaround and pay all the taxes with "yet another" vehicle purchase I am wondering about the feasibility of a trade with someone. I was going to post under the OT catedgory, but just caught this topic.

The Cayenne was my first choice BEFORE even buying the C4S, but then I saw the pictures...
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88cs

Good choice for mountain runs and gear, but at the expense of selling your 4S <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" />

That must be one hellofa cs

But I was like you, as soon as the pictures started showing I ran right out and got the allroad, no sense in waiting any longer.

If you need more info on the allroad checkout
<a href="http://audiworld.com" target="_blank">AudiWorld</a>
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Thanks for the link...I used to have an s4 and was on audiworld daily. I still have an 82 audi coupe and love it. The CS is very rare...check out my site AND the c4s is not gone yet, I am just exploring my options.
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Have yet to see an Allroad in this part of Texas.
A few BMW & Mercedes SUV's, The Beemer is nice looking, the Merc. is to boxy.
Othello,
I'll take the steak over the greasy lamb. Bless the 22 SAS for supporting my outfit but please have the cook shot at sunrise.
Stewed tomatoes, Canadian Bacon, really confused scrambled eggs, and something akin to baked beans for breakfast... every day? Please don your gas mask!
Horrible - narrow -roads, lovely country, Stack Rock Castles?
Great pubs, champion dart chuckers, lousy beer. Friendly people on the whole but a lost generation coming up, kids are bold but, outta shape, no employment opprotunities, Big Brother Is Watching Everything.
What I'm saying is: flip it over and you can say the same of America. No arguement from me.
However, I've been around the world a few times and, objectively, every country has it's share of bad drivers. Few if any country's can match the USA for sheer per capita ownership of auto's and bikes'. We also -a wild guess- have the largest elderly and largest teen driver groups on the planet. Different cities and towns are liable to have different traffic plans, smaller, larger, travel lanes, shoulder/no shoulder, speed limits and even detractors such as way to many signs.
You can re-engineer that paragraph in either favor, also.
Out here in the south west, the purpose and purchase of the Burb's, Navigators, Expeditions, Excursions/lesser SUV's, and non-working 4 door pick-ups like the F-250 & F-350 based trucks isn't so much for some imagined need of a 4x4 with reasonable ground clearance or that we haul half of our daughters soccer team around.
1. Height - with seat increased seat height you are:
A. No longer staring into the headlight glare of oncoming vehicles. Vanishing point straight out here.
B. You can check out the road by looking over lesser vehicles.
C. Other drivers do not tend to tailgate these larger vehicle because they are blind to what is ahead.
D. While the increased mass of these vehicles can prove detrimental when issues such as handling, emergency stopping, and certainly to gas mileage there is no denying that in case of a wreck occupants in a large, heavy mass vehicle with a heavy, raised chassis stand much less chance of serious injury than those riding in less substancial vehicle. Is this fair? Maybe not, but you only have to see on serious accident big vs small (whatever the cause) to realize that putting ones family in a 'Road Barge' isn't such a bad idea.
2. While the issue of economy comes in second to the highway safety of our families there is no denying that it is a factor.
A. Suburban's and others of that size cost more than your average passenger car. But, it also costs' SIGNIFICANTLY less than a Euro, period!
B. The craftsmanship, durability, and design aren't compareable to Japanese, or, Euro's you might argue. So be it! But the when you start factoring in repairs such as brakes, starters, alternators, fuel pumps, A/C. The foreign products simply can't touch low cost and availability of parts -virtually any part -. Over the life/ownership of a vehicle, here in Texas say 8 years or more, where people put 35,000 + miles a year on a car/truck and it is common to see 4 year old vehicles with 120,000+ miles I don't see where the durability factor is a valid issue any more.
C.Did I mention the difference in cost for a Mercedes, Porsche, Volvo, Audi mechanic to do a repair as opposed to Joe Snuffy's Garage working on the Burb? Try buying a complete set of heads for a Burb and compare a complete head set-up on an Allroad now add mechanics labor...
the difference in initial cost, & maintenace will always outway the cost of owning a gas swilling Burb.
Personally, I don't own one, nor will I buy one.
On the other hand accident statistics are pretty solid. So when my daughter, Kay, is old enough to drive she is going to be driving something on the hefty side....need I say more?
Othello, you say you are just pointing out the obvious I can handle that... but here's one for you: You are in the USA, your gripes about others' driving abilities are no less or greater than the average forum reader/poster, hell, I agree with you. But, after ten years In-Country you are an American so to speak. Drop the comparisions with Great Britan ...we, demographically speaking (includes our gluttony and bad driving habits) aren't going to change anytime soon. Just consider the whole mess a railroad system without rails to keep us on the straight and narrow, with about 140,000,000 railroad engines and engineers all on different missions with a real thin rule book to go by.
Neat, Huh?
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[quote]Originally posted by John Struthers:
<strong>Have yet to see an Allroad in this part of Texas.
A few BMW & Mercedes SUV's, The Beemer is nice looking, the Merc. is to boxy.
Othello,
I'll take the steak over the greasy lamb. Bless the 22 SAS for supporting my outfit but please have the cook shot at sunrise.
Stewed tomatoes, Canadian Bacon, really confused scrambled eggs, and something akin to baked beans for breakfast... every day? Please don your gas mask!
Horrible - narrow -roads, lovely country, Stack Rock Castles?
Great pubs, champion dart chuckers, lousy beer. Friendly people on the whole but a lost generation coming up, kids are bold but, outta shape, no employment opprotunities, Big Brother Is Watching Everything.
What I'm saying is: flip it over and you can say the same of America. No arguement from me.
However, I've been around the world a few times and, objectively, every country has it's share of bad drivers. Few if any country's can match the USA for sheer per capita ownership of auto's and bikes'. We also -a wild guess- have the largest elderly and largest teen driver groups on the planet. Different cities and towns are liable to have different traffic plans, smaller, larger, travel lanes, shoulder/no shoulder, speed limits and even detractors such as way to many signs.
You can re-engineer that paragraph in either favor, also.
Out here in the south west, the purpose and purchase of the Burb's, Navigators, Expeditions, Excursions/lesser SUV's, and non-working 4 door pick-ups like the F-250 & F-350 based trucks isn't so much for some imagined need of a 4x4 with reasonable ground clearance or that we haul half of our daughters soccer team around.
1. Height - with seat increased seat height you are:
A. No longer staring into the headlight glare of oncoming vehicles. Vanishing point straight out here.
B. You can check out the road by looking over lesser vehicles.
C. Other drivers do not tend to tailgate these larger vehicle because they are blind to what is ahead.
D. While the increased mass of these vehicles can prove detrimental when issues such as handling, emergency stopping, and certainly to gas mileage there is no denying that in case of a wreck occupants in a large, heavy mass vehicle with a heavy, raised chassis stand much less chance of serious injury than those riding in less substancial vehicle. Is this fair? Maybe not, but you only have to see on serious accident big vs small (whatever the cause) to realize that putting ones family in a 'Road Barge' isn't such a bad idea.
2. While the issue of economy comes in second to the highway safety of our families there is no denying that it is a factor.
A. Suburban's and others of that size cost more than your average passenger car. But, it also costs' SIGNIFICANTLY less than a Euro, period!
B. The craftsmanship, durability, and design aren't compareable to Japanese, or, Euro's you might argue. So be it! But the when you start factoring in repairs such as brakes, starters, alternators, fuel pumps, A/C. The foreign products simply can't touch low cost and availability of parts -virtually any part -. Over the life/ownership of a vehicle, here in Texas say 8 years or more, where people put 35,000 + miles a year on a car/truck and it is common to see 4 year old vehicles with 120,000+ miles I don't see where the durability factor is a valid issue any more.
C.Did I mention the difference in cost for a Mercedes, Porsche, Volvo, Audi mechanic to do a repair as opposed to Joe Snuffy's Garage working on the Burb? Try buying a complete set of heads for a Burb and compare a complete head set-up on an Allroad now add mechanics labor...
the difference in initial cost, & maintenace will always outway the cost of owning a gas swilling Burb.
Personally, I don't own one, nor will I buy one.
On the other hand accident statistics are pretty solid. So when my daughter, Kay, is old enough to drive she is going to be driving something on the hefty side....need I say more?
Othello, you say you are just pointing out the obvious I can handle that... but here's one for you: You are in the USA, your gripes about others' driving abilities are no less or greater than the average forum reader/poster, hell, I agree with you. But, after ten years In-Country you are an American so to speak. Drop the comparisions with Great Britan ...we, demographically speaking (includes our gluttony and bad driving habits) aren't going to change anytime soon. Just consider the whole mess a railroad system without rails to keep us on the straight and narrow, with about 140,000,000 railroad engines and engineers all on different missions with a real thin rule book to go by.
Neat, Huh?</strong><hr></blockquote>


I have to go to bed right now because I have a beautiful wife calling my name.. so I'll address you in the morning. In the meantime, for the next couple of hours be green with envy about what I am about to partake in..


Old 10-07-2002, 11:41 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by JayT:
<strong>Part of the problem in US is taxes. The Allroad is not a truck for IRS/EPA purposes - X-5 and ML are. This means much 15 + years for full depreciation and a major tax disadvantage. For example first year tax write off in an X-5 can be as high as $28,000 an Allroad is less than $2,000, plus you pay Lux. tax.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Interesting issue... I'll have to see if Canadian tax rules are similar as I was considering an Allroad if the Cayenne order wait was too long....
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I love when Audi owners troll in other car forums. It's that envy thing all over.

The problem with the Allroad is design. No testosterone induced American male is going to drive a station wagon.

The X5 does everything the Allroad can, but we all know it's really just a slightly bigger/higher/beefier 540i. And the market loves it.

But the biggest problem with Audi vehicles is that they just are not BMW's. Audi constantly tries to market itself as an alternative to BMW. Unfortunately, their engineers are targeting Mercedes. BMW and Mercedes are customers that only meet when one hits another.

Here's the problem with Audi cars (S versions included):

1. Tiptronic transmission. What's wrong with a manual? Or a real F1 transmission a'la SMG from BMW.
2. Soft suspension. Nice for an old man, but body roll can induce vomiting.
3. Imprecise steering. There's just no feedback to the steering wheel from the road.
4. Marquee just doesn't have the panache of BMW, Mercedes or Porsche. Maybe it's that Volkswagen thing.
5. Quattro is the biggest bogosity flung at the car-buying public. Driving a RWD car in the snow is absolutely easy with the right snow tires. And don't tell me you can take my S6, with the Z-rated sport tires is going anywhere in the snow. OK, it might go downhill. No stopping power. Quattro is a waste of money, weight and power. It works on a 996 Turbo because you need to overcome the oversteer. Audi understeers, and that's just plain boring.

I own an A6 and S6. I know of what I speak. And the S6, a fine automobile, just doesn't have the driving feeling of an M5.

As for Othello's comments. What a putz. I'm getting so tired of these anti-american comments, and I'm a left-wing socialist type of expatriate who lived half his life in Europe and the other in the US. What Othello forgets, given his typically Eurocentrism of greatness, is that the cardiovascular disease rate is much higher in Western Europe than in the US. Why? Because every european thinks it's his or her fundamental right to smoke cancer sticks. Obesity isn't good for the health, but smoking is a guarantee to death. So what you find in Paris, Amsterdam, Berlin, Brussels, and Rome are a bunch of skinny, white-skinned, cancer and cardiology patients-to-be.

Oh, and let us not forget that those Americans saved those Western European cancerous lungs from les Bosch twice and les Internationale once. I think President Oil is a jerk, but at least he has a pair of *********, severely lacking in Schroeder, Chirac, and the other countries of Europe that cowtow to Germany and France. At least Blair, President Oil's lap dog shows some testicular activity.

Othello...keep your racist remarks to yourself.


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