JARO

Reguru, I bought my 03 S at the Loeber Motors in Lincolnwood. They are building new facilities and soon will be the larges dealer in Chicago. Good folks and great mechanics. Parts department willing to deal on parts and accessories. See Lance in sales. Where do you live?

Torags

My hesitation was fixed with a DME remapping, as well as most other owners.

and a motor is not a motor. That comment is indicative of someone who is totally unfamiliar with the operation of a 4 cycle engine.......

I agree with your assessment that 1 qt per 1000K is unacceptable, but automobile motors are a hellava lot more complex than that comment.

ben in lj

So that's your suggestion to a Porsche owner who currently has three of them (all three bought new - and all three the top of their respective line at the time of purchase) including the latest $450k model? Does that seem the sort of solution that would be appropriate for that kind of customer? If so, then Porsche is in deep crap because all the poseurs who are sucking up today's cars (much less than are produced apparently) in place of the enthusiasts via leases up to their ***** so they can impress their neighbors are going to be unable to afford these things as their resale continues to plummet negatively affecting residuals and therefore payments.

Luckily my wife is not as bothered by the horrific hesitation as I am and that I don't drive the POS more than 5% of the time or I would indeed take the bath you think I should after less than 6 months of ownership. Also luckily, they fixed the heinous remote control and rear glass popping open problems which made the car absolutely intolerable for her. What a great experience though for her to get a new $100k SUV (it's a GD station wagon afterall!) and have to put up with that remote and rear glass crap until Porsche finally came up with a solution to it - and this after we intentionally waited a year after it came out to avoid just this crap!

PS. We've had the W516 TSB for hesitation performed and it didn't solve anything.

mudman2

I think we are seeing individual personalities coming through, people can draw there own conclusions.

ben in lj

all those who want to dismiss reality as "personalities" make sure to read these:

http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php...true#Post64877

anyone considering buying one of these things should do some checking on the internet and you'll find it IS a problem than is NOT currently solved.

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it's just a "personality" thing afterall:

Consumer Reports:
http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/n...x.cfm/id/37626

"Both V8s feel very strong, but frustrate with nonlinear power delivery. S requires more-than-expected throttle application to really zip. Turbo responds with less-than-expected power in some situations, more than needed in others."
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It must also be Edmunds "personality":

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Good find bancu.

It's hard to find reviewers who will speak openly about this. I think you know about the Edmunds review (web page) but I will post the relevant excerpt here again for others to see.


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Stomping on the throttle from a dead stop results in a half-second of tepid forward movement as the turbo spools up — then bam! Like Anna Nicole after spotting a Krispy Kreme, the Cayenne Turbo somehow ignores its considerable heft and simply springs into action.

A similar response occurs once the vehicle is in motion, though throttle response continued to be a notable issue for most drivers. Sometimes forward motion comes after a slight delay, other times it comes on stronger than expected (or desired). The effect is more subtle than overt, but drivers used to the refined nature of an Acura, BMW or Infiniti will notice it. We're not sure if this behavior is turbo- or transmission-related (or a combination of both), but after trolling the Cayenne car discussions boards we found several owners who had visited their local dealer to have the drivetrain controller "reflashed" with positive results.

The transmission itself proved capable of delivering positive upshifts under full-throttle conditions, and when set in "Manual" mode, it would respond quickly to up- or downshift commands sent via the steering wheel switches or shifter movement. But when left in automatic mode, with varying levels of throttle applied, it sometimes seemed to hesitate before choosing a gear. It's worth noting that Porsche has designed this transmission to "learn" driver behavior and respond accordingly. What this is supposed to result in is a transmission that "knows" when the driver wants it to hold gears during aggressive on- or off-road driving. To us, it seemed like the transmission performed well when fully engaged in either standard or aggressive driving mode, but it sometimes switched modes too early or too late (a difficult situation to avoid whenever a transmission is allowed to think for itself).

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Look at all the other "personalities" having the same problem:

http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php...fpart=all&vc=1

mudman2

right

boybike

My $0.02 Cents worth
I purchased my 05 S about 5 weeks ago. It does NOT use any oil (so far), the only problem is the PCM is a little flaky (and a new one is ordered). I have the 18" wheels with Pirelli Snow tires, Sticks to the road like glue, drives likes its on rails (5 weeks, 5K miles!), just got back from visiting my brother in VA (1K round trip), LOVE IT! great stereo and keeps me entertained!

Bruce

ben in lj

Trust me Bruce when I say I am thrilled to hear you are having a great experience so far. I've got another friend who has the V6 and is similarly thrilled with his.

ben in lj

Looks like some more "personalities" are experiencing the problem that doesn't exist:

http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php...6940#Post67246

chris walrod

Sounds to me like you need to switch to another dealer that has the abilities to fix these issues. Many Cayenne owners have experienced problems, but have had resolution with their dealers...

ben in lj

Again, a friend of mine has taken his approximately a half dozen times to the only other dealer in town who has also failed to remedy the problem - and his is just the S (so not turbo lag).

yetis

Just thought I would add my two cents. I have been given the CS twice in the last two months as a loaner and have driven a couple 100 miles with the loaner. While the appointment was all very nice, I know exactly what people are referring to when they say the lag. It is uncomfortable for the driver and more so for the driver. If there is a flash fix, one would think the dealer would make it as the loaner experience is essentially a very long test drive. (I tried for the GT3, but they said no....)

The loaner was an 04' with the window sticker glue still on the window (so not a customer reject). Further, I am definitely a candidate for this car. The fiancé is on my case no stop about getting a CS. So far however, the driving experience has not been a winner. That said, I was thinking the VW Touareg but now that I hear they have major issues, I don't know what to think. How anyone tried the 10 cylinder diesel Touareg?

REGURU

Jaro:

Thanks, Loeber was one that I was considering since it is right between where I live and work(Live near Wrigley Field & work in Northbrook). I was also considering THe Exchange & Napleton's, any thoughts? Also, does Loeber give Cayenne's as loaners when your truck is in for service or somthing else?

ltc

Truble10,
I am going to assume (correct me if I am wrong) that I am the other person, along with ben in lj, who are not happy with the Cayenne.

Sorry, but as much of a fan of the Porsche marque as I am, I just can't get myself to drink the Kool-Aid Porsche is handing out.

I have reasons, both personally and professionally, to be disappointed in Porsche and their future plans/roadmaps.

ben in lj

Yep, too bad these problems are the fault our "personalities" instead of Porsche engineering and R&D. The only thing that pisses me off more than a material, non-fixable problem is the "it's normal" response and PCNA's lack of motivation to get involved until it starts screwing with PR - er: sales (ie: NHTSA)! I realize they're pretending it doesn't exist (at least to the customer) is just CYA'g themselves to help deal with the inevitable onslaught of liability arising from the first fatality caused by this terminal flaw.