Aluminum in oil 2010 Turbo S
#16
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Are you talking about the grinding marks on the bumpy sections?
If so those are part of the manufacturing process where the ridge from casting/forging the bkank was ground off.
If so those are part of the manufacturing process where the ridge from casting/forging the bkank was ground off.
#18
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Usually cam lobe wear happens right on the tip. Are those semicircular areas just dark spots that are smooth with the cam surface or are they ridged where the metal is missing?
If they're smooth and even like the surface I wouldn't worry about them. Might have something to do with how the variocam plus engages and disengages. If they're notched, that's a problem.
These are hardened steel so aluminum wouldn't come from there.and they look pristine on the surface except for that dark area. If it's the same on every cam.lobe in the same area, I don't think it's anything.
If they're smooth and even like the surface I wouldn't worry about them. Might have something to do with how the variocam plus engages and disengages. If they're notched, that's a problem.
These are hardened steel so aluminum wouldn't come from there.and they look pristine on the surface except for that dark area. If it's the same on every cam.lobe in the same area, I don't think it's anything.
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Usually cam lobe wear happens right on the tip. Are those semicircular areas just dark spots that are smooth with the cam surface or are they ridged where the metal is missing?
If they're smooth and even like the surface I wouldn't worry about them. Might have something to do with how the variocam plus engages and disengages. If they're notched, that's a problem.
These are hardened steel so aluminum wouldn't come from there.and they look pristine on the surface except for that dark area. If it's the same on every cam.lobe in the same area, I don't think it's anything.
If they're smooth and even like the surface I wouldn't worry about them. Might have something to do with how the variocam plus engages and disengages. If they're notched, that's a problem.
These are hardened steel so aluminum wouldn't come from there.and they look pristine on the surface except for that dark area. If it's the same on every cam.lobe in the same area, I don't think it's anything.
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#22
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#23
Hard to read one oil analysis and draw sound conclusions but here's a quick assessment:
- Fuel dilution and bore scoring go hand in hand. Your fuel dilution seems slightly high (assuming 'Fuel %' is that test). Try a fuel additive with PEA and use only top tier or ethanol-free fuel (good luck finding any).
- Your viscosity at 100°C is on the low side at 11.1. If you're running 0W or 5W 40, those numbers I believe should be between 12.5–16.3. You're losing your viscosity/protection due to the fuel dilution.
- Your bores are aluminum with silicon impregnated in them so when looking at your elevated silicon and iron numbers (iron is likely from your piston skirts), along with aluminum in the stratosphere, your alarm bells going off is warranted.
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#24
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The variocam plus lifters do tend to self destruct so if you have the intake cams out it's worth taking the intake lifters out to see if they are all still in one piece. They are not cheap... around $120 each for the 996 Turbo and probably similar for the Cayenne V8. Whatever you do, do not mix up the lifters. They must go back where they came from.
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Hard to read one oil analysis and draw sound conclusions but here's a quick assessment:
- Fuel dilution and bore scoring go hand in hand. Your fuel dilution seems slightly high (assuming 'Fuel %' is that test). Try a fuel additive with PEA and use only top tier or ethanol-free fuel (good luck finding any).
- Your viscosity at 100°C is on the low side at 11.1. If you're running 0W or 5W 40, those numbers I believe should be between 12.5–16.3. You're losing your viscosity/protection due to the fuel dilution.
- Your bores are aluminum with silicon impregnated in them so when looking at your elevated silicon and iron numbers (iron is likely from your piston skirts), along with aluminum in the stratosphere, your alarm bells going off is warranted.
Here's my 09 Turbo S that's shown those kinds of fuel numbers and even a hair higher since I've owned it at 30k miles. 100 and 212 viscosity numbers are very consistent and metal wear is pretty much non-existent.
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#26
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One more area that is often overlooked is the oil conducting housing which is on the front of the intake camshaft behind the variable timing sprocket. This thing is an aluminum housing that covers three steel rings that look like piston rings on the camshaft. The rings create two areas for pressure oil to reach the cam sprocket to adjust the valve timing.
One of my 996 Turbos had wandering valve timing on one bank. The "piston rings" on the intake camshaft had disintegrated which prevented the cam timing from being controlled by the ecu. It also showed high iron and aluminum in the oil.
I pulled it apart to find the rings were totally missing and the aluminum housing had extensive wear inside. Replacing the three rings and the oil conducting housing cleared the code and eliminated the iron/aluminum in the oil.
One of my 996 Turbos had wandering valve timing on one bank. The "piston rings" on the intake camshaft had disintegrated which prevented the cam timing from being controlled by the ecu. It also showed high iron and aluminum in the oil.
I pulled it apart to find the rings were totally missing and the aluminum housing had extensive wear inside. Replacing the three rings and the oil conducting housing cleared the code and eliminated the iron/aluminum in the oil.
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One more area that is often overlooked is the oil conducting housing which is on the front of the intake camshaft behind the variable timing sprocket. This thing is an aluminum housing that covers three steel rings that look like piston rings on the camshaft. The rings create two areas for pressure oil to reach the cam sprocket to adjust the valve timing.
One of my 996 Turbos had wandering valve timing on one bank. The "piston rings" on the intake camshaft had disintegrated which prevented the cam timing from being controlled by the ecu. It also showed high iron and aluminum in the oil.
I pulled it apart to find the rings were totally missing and the aluminum housing had extensive wear inside. Replacing the three rings and the oil conducting housing cleared the code and eliminated the iron/aluminum in the oil.
One of my 996 Turbos had wandering valve timing on one bank. The "piston rings" on the intake camshaft had disintegrated which prevented the cam timing from being controlled by the ecu. It also showed high iron and aluminum in the oil.
I pulled it apart to find the rings were totally missing and the aluminum housing had extensive wear inside. Replacing the three rings and the oil conducting housing cleared the code and eliminated the iron/aluminum in the oil.
I just had a look at your thread... very interesting. Did you have any cranking/starting issues? Did you find any flakes in the oil?