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Old 07-27-2018 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Petza914
Funny, I wouldn't own one without one - different strokes for different folks. Keep the tracks lubed, the seals Gummi Pfleged, and don't get anything jammed in it and hope for the best. Now if I did a lot of off-roading with a bunch of body articulation, that might be riskier but for my essentially street driven Cayenne with PDCC, it's fantastic.
Up here in NEPA the roads are crap. Staying on the roads is a pounding.

Of course my 928 has the roof chopped off too, so I'm just that kind of guy - much prefer wind to A/C.
That's what the Boxster is for. I'd be happy if my Shark didn't even have a sunroof.

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Turns out both have like 4+ owners and 2-3 accidents.
dafuq? I'm pretty lenient when it comes to used cars, but that's excessive. I guess see what the PPI tells you, but I think you can find a better candidate.
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Up here in NEPA the roads are crap. Staying on the roads is a pounding.

That's what the Boxster is for. I'd be happy if my Shark didn't even have a sunroof.

dafuq? I'm pretty lenient when it comes to used cars, but that's excessive. I guess see what the PPI tells you, but I think you can find a better candidate.
I will be taking this truck to Central New York at times, so I understand what you mean about the roads!

As far as the owners, the black one was supposedly only 2 owners and a minor accident where the trailer hitch was hit and the rear bumper needed to be replaced, but the autocheck is saying differently. Perhaps I am interpreting it wrong, heard it wrong, perhaps the owner was misinformed, or perhaps it was an outright lie.

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Gummi Pflege is a weatherstrip conditioner and protectant

nextzett 91480615 'Gummi Pflege Stift' Rubber Care Stick - 3.4 fl. oz https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004B8GTQG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_9l5wBb82322D4

Yes, the hydraulic swaybars automatically uncouple for offroad articulation in the terrain modes. PDCC is the hydraulic swaybar system that increases hydraulic pressure to the outside of the vehicle in a turn, to prevent the weight transfer and body roll, making it corner flat. Drive 2 Cayennes - one with and one without it and it will end up on your must have list.
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Originally Posted by Petza914
Gummi Pflege is a weatherstrip conditioner and protectant

nextzett 91480615 'Gummi Pflege Stift' Rubber Care Stick - 3.4 fl. oz https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004B8GTQG..._9l5wBb82322D4

Yes, the hydraulic swaybars automatically uncouple for offroad articulation in the terrain modes. PDCC is the hydraulic swaybar system that increases hydraulic pressure to the outside of the vehicle in a turn, to prevent the weight transfer and body roll, making it corner flat. Drive 2 Cayennes - one with and one without it and it will end up on your must have list.
Thanks for the heads up on the Gummi Pflege, looks great! PDCC sounds awesome. I actually kind of wish the car had it, but not the pano roof. So that I could fit a rooftop tent and not be concerned with the weight.
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The Autoheck on the 08 looks a bit odd. I see 3 accidents and both the left front and right front were hit 2 months apart in NC. I also see 6 titles with different numbers. It almost looks like it was on NC then that owner moved to Ohio, retitled it, then maybe moved back to NC and titled it again. It also looks like it was retitled not long after the 2nd NC accident so either it wasn't right after that 3rd repair or they decided they couldn't drive it properly and kept running it into stuff and it wasn't the car for them. I'd be surprised if in one of those 3 accidents that airbags weren't deployed, which means you need to check all the seatbelts for proper function and no error codes.

It also spent its first 5 years in the NE where its more likely that bore scoring may have started.

I'​​​​​​m not sure I'd buy the white one even though it has a nice spec bit you can certainly check it out.

I have some parts from my widebody conversion if there's some hidden damage from the front end accidents, like a drivers side headlight, intercooler, fog light, both side intercooler ducts, etc.
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Originally Posted by Petza914
The Autoheck on the 08 looks a bit odd. I see 3 accidents and both the left front and right front were hit 2 months apart in NC. I also see 6 titles with different numbers. It almost looks like it was on NC then that owner moved to Ohio, retitled it, then maybe moved back to NC and titled it again. It also looks like it was retitled not long after the 2nd NC accident so either it wasn't right after that 3rd repair or they decided they couldn't drive it properly and kept running it into stuff and it wasn't the car for them. I'd be surprised if in one of those 3 accidents that airbags weren't deployed, which means you need to check all the seatbelts for proper function and no error codes.

It also spent its first 5 years in the NE where its more likely that bore scoring may have started.

I'​​​​​​m not sure I'd buy the white one even though it has a nice spec bit you can certainly check it out.

I have some parts from my widebody conversion if there's some hidden damage from the front end accidents, like a drivers side headlight, intercooler, fog light, both side intercooler ducts, etc.
The fact that is spent 5 years in the North East makes me think that it probably has rust underneath. I was hoping the turbo motor would avoid the scoring issues, though if the car was neglected for oil level or changes, that won't help!
If the airbags were deployed that is pretty serious... I seriously want PDCC but it's useless if the car is a rust bucket... and has been shoddily repaired.
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Accidents, both..... PASS
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Pass, Pass. There are still good ones out there.
Old 07-28-2018 | 06:25 AM
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I found this for sale, zero accidents, 3 owners. $10k asking price at dealer.
05 130k miles in basalt black metallic
BASE - Porsche Base Model
0TD - Front and Rear Floor Mats
1D6 - Trailer Hitch w/o Hitch Ball
1NP - Wheel Hub Covers Colored Crest
3FE - Moonroof
3Y4 - Roll up Sunscreen-1/4 Windows
5MG - Dark Burr Wood Package
7A2 - 6 Disc CD Changer
CJ3 - 19" Cayenne Design Wheel
NQ - Black Smooth Leather
PE3 - Sport Seats w/ Memory
PH1 - Dark Wood Steering Wheel
PO4 - Light Comfort Package/Memory
QR1 - Compass Display
Z4 - Basalt Black Metallic Top

seems pretty nice... https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourceContext=carGurusHomeP ageModel&newSearchFromOverviewPage=true&inventorySearchWidgetType=AUTO&e ntitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c3384&entitySelectingHelper.selected Entity2=c21615&zip=28805&distance=500&searchChanged=true&trimNames=Turbo +AWD&maxundefined=16000&modelChanged=false&filtersModified=true#listing= 213750186

It's a good bit further away as well. I'll keep looking...
Old 07-28-2018 | 07:03 AM
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This one also looks decently kept, for an 05 with 150k on it... inexpensive entry fee... I wonder if the "hard shifting" is from a new "higher performance" valve body... or just an issue creeping up. Sounds messy.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=209233419

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Originally Posted by torofluxgemini
This one also looks decently kept, for an 05 with 150k on it... inexpensive entry fee... I wonder if the "hard shifting" is from a new "higher performance" valve body... or just an issue creeping up. Sounds messy.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=209233419

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This from the listing would give me pause..

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Just the same, it's a nearly 15-year-old Porsche Turbo with nearly 150,000 miles. This is not an ideal car for the faint of heart - it'll be considerably more expensive to keep up than the Corolla you could buy for the same price. We are selling this one 'as-is', and saying 'caveat emptor' (buyer beware). It has a few problems we're aware of: the transmission shifts hard on full-throttle acceleration, the windscreen is cracked, and the navigation screen is 'consistently intermittent'. If you're the right daring soul who loves a really nice near-exotic car for pretty darn cheap, this is the bargain of a lifetime.Because of it's age and mileage, our banks will not finance this car.
Can't say you weren't forewarned. The rough shifting is probably because the valve body has not been changed. These are the typical symptoms of binding solenoids in the valve body. Have someone do it - figure $2-4,000. DIY - probably about $1,000 including the fluids and such. New windscreen - Porsche - $1,000. Aftermarket - considerably less - but make sure it's the right replacement - depending on options - the screens are different. NAV going wonky? Probably $500 to have Becker in NJ rework it. Probably $500+ to convert it to an Android-based system (which is the path I'd probably take.) And we don't know if the coolant pipes are aluminum or plastic ($2,000 gamble there) or if the cardan shaft has been replaced lately ($15-1,000 depending..)

The fact that their banks won't finance it means - it has very little value when you're done with it. It's basically a sunk-cost, whatever you sink into it - you can kiss goodbye. That's OK if you're an avid DIY'er who has alternative transportation for when the Cayenne is laid up under the knife or waiting for cash to pay for repairs or repairs in progress. As a daily driver? Dunno - depends on your risk acceptance. I'm not one who is immediately scared off by higher mileage - but I do accept that as the mileage climbs up - items are going to fail simply because they're used up (water pumps, fuel pumps, fan motors, driveshafts, CV joints, and their boots) - it's easier to accept the higher mileage if you are the one who got it to that mileage and you know the car has been maintained and what has been done. Going into it on a cheap turbo - well - be prepared for some big expenses that may exceed the value of the car. Remember "sunk-cost" - the money you throw in the hole is gone, never to be seen again. If that's OK with you and you're financially able to cover $3-4,000 in repairs/year - then it's a great car to drive. If not - you'll end up hating it.
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Originally Posted by deilenberger
This from the listing would give me pause..



Can't say you weren't forewarned. The rough shifting is probably because the valve body has not been changed. These are the typical symptoms of binding solenoids in the valve body. Have someone do it - figure $2-4,000. DIY - probably about $1,000 including the fluids and such. New windscreen - Porsche - $1,000. Aftermarket - considerably less - but make sure it's the right replacement - depending on options - the screens are different. NAV going wonky? Probably $500 to have Becker in NJ rework it. Probably $500+ to convert it to an Android-based system (which is the path I'd probably take.) And we don't know if the coolant pipes are aluminum or plastic ($2,000 gamble there) or if the cardan shaft has been replaced lately ($15-1,000 depending..)

The fact that their banks won't finance it means - it has very little value when you're done with it. It's basically a sunk-cost, whatever you sink into it - you can kiss goodbye. That's OK if you're an avid DIY'er who has alternative transportation for when the Cayenne is laid up under the knife or waiting for cash to pay for repairs or repairs in progress. As a daily driver? Dunno - depends on your risk acceptance. I'm not one who is immediately scared off by higher mileage - but I do accept that as the mileage climbs up - items are going to fail simply because they're used up (water pumps, fuel pumps, fan motors, driveshafts, CV joints, and their boots) - it's easier to accept the higher mileage if you are the one who got it to that mileage and you know the car has been maintained and what has been done. Going into it on a cheap turbo - well - be prepared for some big expenses that may exceed the value of the car. Remember "sunk-cost" - the money you throw in the hole is gone, never to be seen again. If that's OK with you and you're financially able to cover $3-4,000 in repairs/year - then it's a great car to drive. If not - you'll end up hating it.
Wonderfully said... thank you for that... yeah I am definitely going to forgo this one... I agree 100% about being the person to get it to that mileage being preferable...and the issues it's presenting with sound like some neglect... so I am now looking at one with ~85k which is kind of pricey in a less desirable color and one at ~130k, both appear maintained and have zero accidents... but still don't feel like I have found *the one*
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If you save up another $5K, you'll have a whole new level of Cayennes to choose from. A $10K budget is mostly going to limit you to unmaintained bottom of the barrel trash, used up vehicles with 130K+ miles or a half way decent base V6 model.
$15K should get you a well maintained/up to date 955/957 turbo with under 100K miles.

I was hoping the turbo motor would avoid the scoring issues
Not true at all. A few years back someone spread that rumor over and over and over again (wrinkledpants I believe). Now when people search, his posts are first to turn up and they think they're immune from the engine lottery by buying a turbo.
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If you save up another $5K, you'll have a whole new level of Cayennes to choose from. A $10K budget is mostly going to limit you to unmaintained bottom of the barrel trash, used up vehicles with 130K+ miles or a half way decent base V6 model.
$15K should get you a well maintained/up to date 955/957 turbo with under 100K miles.



Not true at all. A few years back someone spread that rumor over and over and over again (wrinkledpants I believe). Now when people search, his posts are first to turn up and they think they're immune from the engine lottery by buying a turbo.
O believe the turbo motors have piston crown oil squirting that helps some as the oil helps to regulate the rate of piston and cylinder expansion, but there gave been Turbos with scored bores, but most were in cold climate cars.
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Considering how many threads there are on turbos with scored cylinders (and how fewer there are compared to NA models), I highly doubt those squirter do anything to help.


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