investlt

Dove,

Nice car. Thanks for the link to this amusing thread. I had to read the whole thing. Back to the 964 board for me.

Cheers,
John

Charlie C

All I've got to say is that this thread is having very little to do with it's original intent...and now I know why Rennlist has an IGNORE LIST! This thread is a lot better now.

I came to this place to learn more about Porsches and converse with other Porschefiles. Not to hear the rants of jealous Porsche wannabes.

Brian, to quote erics944, "Brian, I couldn't have said it better myself."
Charlie

Daytona24

So, it's immature for me to make a claim about a certain car that is based on what I believe to be fact, but it's NOT immature for you to claim that a person you don't know, works at burger king... I'm trying to understand your reasoning here...

By the way, you can start referring to me as "Vampyre" now - you people had me nailed all along - I've decided to sell my 911 and buy myself a 2.5 boxster, put an aero kit on it, and drive around with a cape. Of course, it might take some frenzied burger flipping to afford that boxster.. oh, wait, they've depreciated down to the price range of civics, so I should be fine.

I knew you people were ****, but I had no idea how threatened you would be by a well spoken critic of the cars you own. You can criticize a 911 all day, I don't take it personally - so while you claim that "you got me all riled up" to write incindiary posts, you might want to take a look in the mirror, because there are 7 pages of responses to my posts, apparently you are equally "obsessed" with proving your point. If you were truly "too big" for this conversation, you wouldn't be having it.

Daytona24

That being said, with all the misquotes and half-truths you guys have been spreading around with your responses, I'm starting to think there are some John F. Kerry supporters in our midst. Vampyre, you stike me as a card-carrying socialist...

Daytona24

BrianP,

how are those superior Boxster 2.5s/2.7s doing in F class against the real cars?

erics944

Daytona, why are you argueing with a bunch of people who don't seriously track their cars. Go to the Boxster Raceing boards and see what happens.

I bought a 944 only because thats what I could afford right now. If I had more money I would have bought a Boxster. We are "Por sha" enthusiests. Car enthusiests. I don't have any plans to ever track my cars. Would I ever own a 911? Absolutely. I plan to. The 911 is the car that has given Porsche the most success. The 911 is Porsche, there is no doubting that fact. As was stated before, they have made mistakes on cars before, and they will make mistakes on their future cars.

As far as the discussion about rear engine v. mid engine. I can't see how rear engine can be better. In raceing you want a balanced car. Its simple physics. Mid engine is more balance.

A4EP

That is absolutely hilarious! Lets see here Daytona, have you heard one single person in this thread speak negatively against the 911? Oh wait, I was going to say no, but that's not right you actually were blasting the 911, the 996 in particular saying it was cheap and had a crappy engine and doesn't handle at all. So really you are blasting every single Porsche out there except for your own.

A true Porschephile has a knowledge and respect for each and every Porsche ever built. Everything from the 356 to the 914 to the 996 has an intended purpose. We are willing to talk about the flaws but at the same time know what the intended purpose of each model was and respect what Porsche has done. The Boxster in it's 2.5 or 2.7 trim may not have that almighty 0-60 time like you insist is the end all be all of the performance category but it handles like it is on rails and is one of the best handling cars EVER. And for you to deny that is you just showing your ignorance. All Porsche's have different intended purposes. I mean by your logic the 356 is a crappy car because it is slow...I mean come on now.

Then we get to the quality levels of the latest incarnations of Porsche. Lets see here they are in the top 4 reliability wise of JD Power and Associates...= Quality. Their fit and finish is great, sure you get some squeaks in a convertible...it is a convertible what the hell do you expect. The overall fit and finish level is way above par...if you want Mercedes (which is going down hill), or Jag fit and finish then once again you are going against what you originally said...the 996 sux because it is becoming more luxury oriented. Make up your damn mind. The quality of a door slamming shut has nothing to do with the actual build quality. Could one big difference be that the 996/986 does not have a window frame which = not quite as rigid.

Finally I can't figure out which line of crap you are spewing bothers me the most so I will put it this way. I too am very young...26, I decided 3 weeks ago to buy a 2004 Boxster S instead of a 2004 996 because of the different properties and abilities the Boxster brings to the table. I have spent serious seat time (2,000miles) with a 2002 C4S on the autocross and around town and then I did the Porsche Driving Experience where I decided that the Boxster is just too much fun with the quick turn in and handling to go for the 996 at this point. What I was looking for the Boxster S delivers and it is as much a real GOOD Porsche as the next car, and it is miles ahead of many of the older cars because of what technology it brings to the table. If you had any idea about what the brand is and what Porsche's goals and traditions are you would never be saying what you are saying. Also You and your friend MR.PennyPAcker might think you make a lot of money but I guarantee you that being a manager at McDonalds (or whatever you really do) is nothing in the grand scheme of things, having money does not mean you know anything at all and does not mean you have class, but when you act the way you do it just means you are pompous. I am not a blind cool-aid drinking Porsche fan but I do respect what they do because each model has a specific purpose and it is the best in category for each purpose. You on the other hand have no clue about what the Porsche brand is and I think you are on such a high horse thinking you are the greatest that you won't open your mind to the truth and YOU ARE the type of person that gives all Porsche drivers the negative stereotype that is sometimes associated with the brand.

So in the end either open your eyes to what these cars are meant for and can do, give them the respect they deserve and have earned or go back to your message board that has the only car worth a damn (yours) and stay there with the rest of your cool-aid drinking idiot friends who refuse to give respect to anything but their own mode of transportation.

A4EP

2004 Boxster S AS/BLK/BLK
2002 C4S SG/BLK

agentpennypacker

Good point A4EP: A true Porschefile would respect all the models (914, 944, 911, etc).

But "GM's" point does hold value. I don't see the quality in the new Porsches, and they are simply made to be street cars now. Many of us track guys have experienced this, and it is a shame. This is fine for most people, as most new Porsches these days won't see the track, and why have an expensive true drysump on a street car, right?.

But for me it is not the 911 (don't forget the awesome 951 and 914-6) of the past is no longer here.

Daytona24

A4EP - you are a real genius - if you're going to critique what I say, why don't you read what I said first. I never said anything about a 996 not handling well. I also never said 0-60 was the most important thing. Of course, that's what you would like me to have said, because it makes it easier to criticize me.

However, if you got your head out of your *** and looked at what I actually wrote, you would see that: 0-60 has never been the most important thing. However, moron, when an average family car (like the honda accord) is faster than your boxster, that is ridiculous...

I like the Boxster chassis a lot, and if you read back to my previous posts you'll see that. However my criticism was with the low build quality and inherent design flaws that Porsche decided weren't important.

Maybe you should try being honest with yourself and stop putting words in my mouth. I know the only reason you do is because you cannot argue with me based on facts, you have to put words in my mouth and then you can argue against things I never said.

Oh and by the way, congratulations on autocrossing your C4S, autocross is good for two things - eating up tires and ... well I guess that's it. Try getting out of second gear and see how good you really are.


And on your last point, about respecting "all Porsches" you have just proven my MAIN point - you people have respect for all Porsches simply because they have a Porsche badge on the hood. If you had a brain in your head you would be able to separate each car from the badge, and not believe that "all Porsches are great." Not all Porsches are great cars, accept it. And they're getting more and more like every other piece of crap out on the road. So hang on to that prestige as long as you can, because it's fading quickly. That's why you buy the cars, for the "prestige," not for anything else. But I already knew that.

Daytona24

by the way, what is your obsession with kool-aid? If you're trying to draw a comparison between ruby ridge and blind allegiance to Porsche, that's a bit of a stretch.

And look man, I don't know who you're trying to impress with your new Porsche, and I don't care - but here's a little financial advice for you, free of charge. An $80k 996 is way overpriced - just because I have money doesn't mean I like to waste it. In fact, even though I dislike Corvettes, I would guess the new C6 will destroy a 996 on the track, and it's half the price. So you can think what you like, but YOU are the kool-aid drinker here, blindly following Porsche right down the toilet.

dove

Look Daytona why dont you just **** off back to the burger bar nothing you say holds any value here you just spew out crap,Ive owned a 924,5x944,928s2s4,968,2x911sc a 964 and now the Boxster all great Porsches in their own right and if you were a true Porsche fan you would see this,like a previous post said is a 550 or 356 ****e because they are slow??How pathetic to come on to the Boxster forum and start slagging the car off you must be without a woman or something.
Please go away and let us true Porsche fans get on with it.
WE ARE HAPPY WITH OUR CARS so stop wasting your valuable
time

A4EP

Agent: I am glad we can agree on what a Porschefile is. I still do not agree with you on the street car only theory now though. I am sure you have seen problems with the 996/986 on the track, but at the same time there are problems with every car, including all of the 911 varients of the past. Some might have one problem, some might have another. But when all is said and done Porsche is still the most reliable track car out there. TAke any late model car and I would like to know which one is more reliable on the track than a Porsche...not Ferrari, not Lambo, Lotus...I think not, Honda...well that is a honda and does not count

I will agree with you that most 996/986 will never see a track, but that is also true of the 993 and 964...although the number is much higher on the 996 because of the increased production. It is like SUVs, they are made to go off road...the Hummer H2 is a perfect example, but 95% of them will never ever go off road. Does that make them less of an offroader? Porsche is no longer a niche car maker, they are trying to stay independant in a world where mergers are everywhere. They have done some questionable things (IE the Cayenne) but when they are completed they stay with their goal...to make the best car for it's stated purpose...the Cayenne is the best onroad SUV out there and second only to the Hummer H1 offroad...that is pretty impressive. Another thing is to go a bit more mass market, I will admit they did that with the 996 but they did not skimp on the quality and reliablility in relation to it's competitors, and that is the truth.

I am glad you enjoy your 964, it is an awsome car but don't knock out the latest creations just because you like yours better. Take the strenghts the latest cars have and they really do outweight any first development bugs of the new design.

A4EP

2004 Boxster S AS/BLK/BLK
2002 C4S SG/BLK

A4EP

Kool-aid is not ruby ridge. IT's an example of people being so closed minded that they refuse to look at what they are doing...drinking poison in a mass suicide. You relate to it because you refuse to look at the cars for what they can do and have acheived because you refuse to get out of the past...very closed minded.

QUOTE]Originally posted by Daytona24
And look man, I don't know who you're trying to impress with your new Porsche, and I don't care - but here's a little financial advice for you, free of charge. An $80k 996 is way overpriced - just because I have money doesn't mean I like to waste it. In fact, even though I dislike Corvettes, I would guess the new C6 will destroy a 996 on the track, and it's half the price. So you can think what you like, but YOU are the kool-aid drinker here, blindly following Porsche right down the toilet. [/QUOTE]


I am not trying to impress anyone but obviously it hit a nerve with you I stated that becasue it is significant that someone chose a Boxster over a 996 for a specific reason because it is such a good car...but then you wound't know what a good car is.

As for your financial advice, you can belive whatever you want but a smart person would never take advice from you. As for your beloved C6 and C5 they both will destroy your car on a track...so whats your point, again back to your financial advice...bit you in the *** there. They are horsepower fiends for cheap...good in their own right...but not my style. I will freely admit Porsche's flaws, but I won't ignore the significant positives and the strengths either.

----"I also never said 0-60 was the most important thing. " "However, moron, when an average family car (like the honda accord) is faster than your boxster, that is ridiculous..."----

Seems to me you are placing a high level of importance on 0-60. But hey, either way since you are so damn good on the track let me ask you what do you get with a blazingly fast car that can't handle a corner...a slow track car. What do you get in a moderatly quick car that can take a corner better than almost any car out there....a great track car. With your loads of experience I would expect you to know that. Also back in 1997, and 2000 how many "family" sedans were quicker than the Boxster...none. But then an old design from 1997 has to be doing something extremely right to be considered the best roadster out there right now still with all of the new competition.

-----"Oh and by the way, congratulations on autocrossing your C4S, autocross is good for two things - eating up tires and ... well I guess that's it. Try getting out of second gear and see how good you really are."-----

I agree autocrossing is nothing but a fun time but I have been on a track and I have been out of second gear but I will not get into that because that is not of importance. You did not get the point to my statement...I said that because I know how the 996 performs and once again I chose the Boxster for now because it is a hell of a car.

----"I like the Boxster chassis a lot, and if you read back to my previous posts you'll see that."----

Weren't you the one who said a rear engine design is better on the track than a mid engine design...amazing how you contradict yourself.

----"And on your last point, about respecting "all Porsches" you have just proven my MAIN point - you people have respect for all Porsches simply because they have a Porsche badge on the hood."----

Nope, as I said I take the flaws and weight them against the strenghts and they come out to be the best cars out there in each category they were designed for. As for prestige, it is nice I won't lie, but if Hyundi designed the Boxster I would still buy it because it is an exeptional piece of machinery...period.

We get back to the main point...give respect where it is due, if you don't like any porsche but your own then go chill on that board and stop bothering us here. One day you will grow out of your immaturity and realize there are great cars all around us and you will value them for what they bring to the table. And when you see that you will realize your statements here are obserd and you will probably pick up a new Boxster

That is all for me.

A4EP

2004 Boxster S AS/BLK/BLK
2002 C4S SG/BLK

Ray S

Note to all, Please don't feed the trolls (Penny & Daytona). Their opinions are clearly counter to those of most Porsche enthusiasts

However they are both right, shortly after passing the clearly superior air-cooled green 911 in this pic, my wimpy 2.7l Boxster burst into flames from oil starvation and an overall poor design........



Now, where did I drop that troll spray......

Brian P

Ray, your car didn't explode into flames due to oil starvation. The 911's are outfitted with flamethrowers (ala James Bond). How else can Porsche ensure that the 911 remains the marque brand.

Of course, the fact that the Boxster isn't resistant to the flamethrower is a severe design flaw and one that you could have got fixed under warranty if you didn't take it out on the track.