jeff91C2T

I'm looking at doing more SCCA autocrosses and was reviewing the car catagories list off the their website. It's lists the 993 Turbo as "not eligible". I guess I'm having a hard time believing this. Anybody run the 993 turbo in SCCA to confirm???

http://www.scca.com/documents/Solo%2...nufacturer.pdf

The reason I'm asking is I have a 964 turbo which is not listed in the classings. I fall between the 930 chassis (SS) and the 964 (BS). Right now I have been running ASP as I have suspension updates. Thoughts???

tdz

SCCA deems some cars too fast and/or too expensive and are therefore not eligible. After used prices come down, they may get added.

I'm not sure what you're asking. Suspension mods take you out of stock, but your (presumed) AWD Turbo makes you ineligible for stock anyway. You seem to be correctly classed in ASP. Any 911 Turbo AWD is ineligible for stock.

"The following make/models are not eligible for Stock Category: ..., Porsche 911 GT2
(‘02+), Porsche 911 Turbo AWD, Porsche 911 GT3 (997) and GT3 RS (997),..."

It is currently proposed for 2009: Porsche 996 Turbo to SS

Slantnose!

Correct...that's the way I see it, too.
However if stock, I believe your car could be SS.
Looks like the way your car is set-up, it would compete against the twin turbo whether that car is stock or modified within the rules in ASP.
Could always go to BP (locally) or XP...

Joe Weinstein

I race a 996tt, and have raced against a 993tt. Both were allowed in ASP at the time,
and now are allowed in SS if stock, as far as I understand it.
Joe

jeff91C2T

Thanks everyone....makes sense. With the changes I've made I'm pretty far into the street prepared class. As the 930 is SS and with mods would move to A, that would be a clear pointer for me to run ASP, so I guessed right.

PedalFaster

Neither car is currently legal for any Stock class, although as tdz wrote, there's currently a proposal to move the 996 Turbo to Super Stock out for member comment.

knfeparty

You can't run any porsche in any street touring class. SCCA is out to get us, I'm telling you.

JohnVitamvas

Yes, that must be it.

70RSR

John,

When will you have your new ride? Will you be running it this weekend? How do I get to be your co-driver? All important questions that need to be answered.

Dave N.

Joe Weinstein

To a degree, he's right... Not that they are "out to get us", but that
SCCA (I believe) is conscious of keeping competitive costs down, or
at least consistent. They will think twice or more before classing any
relatively expensive car like a Porsche so it becomes the top choice
in any existing class that has a decent range or number of competitive
cheaper cars.

grey ghost

Having served on the SAC for 7 years. it was always a challenge to get the "P" cars classed within a competitive class. cost was a factor but also the documentation of options. like AC delete, sunroof delete and suspension adjustability. the 993 turbo was not classed at the time for cost, and the feeling that the car would be a overdog against the Rx-7TT and C4 Vette. SS was a strong class then like it is know. so they are proposing this new Uber-Class
this class is to take cars out of the exclusion list.

My personal feeling is that this class will not be a big national class. current feeling is that this class would have one of these a car to have the Lotus Exige superchared, the Viper ACR,
the GT-2 or some other exotic. big gamble with big money.

my .02, Rob

JCortney

I'm a new "autocrosser" so pardon if this is a dumb question but, looking at the list, it would seem that a plain 996 would be classed with a 996 GT3. How can this be or am I reading it wrong?

Joe

Joe Weinstein

For SCCA, yes. They can't be parsing out between the different porsche models and
risk a vanilla 996 being competitive in one class, and a GT3 in another, and a Boxster
the winner in yet another class etc. They absolutely don't want it to cost that much
to be competitive in multiple classes. If you participate in PCA autocross series, you
will find a much more Porsche-aware classing structure so you won't be racing a GT3
with a vanilla 996.
If you want to be competitive in *any* autocross competition, it is best to become familiar
with the classing system and the recent winners history, and determine what car(s) are
the overdogs in the classes, and then make your car choice.

JohnVitamvas

Hey Dave.

I pick it up Friday morning. As for co-driving, we can probably arrange something. I will probably run it on the 26th...

70RSR

I look forward to seeing it but my days of rooting for you will be over as you go to the dark side.
Good luck with the car,
Dave
I'm sticking with my old Porsche