TT Surgeon

No, it's the Asin unit from the carerra, not getrag g50 based unit.

tcsracing1

for the money the 07-09 manual Turbo is a great buy. Some folks rather the dry sump mezger as it takes to mods and rebuilds really well. Depreciation is almost over on them too.

the 2010-2013 manual Turbo is an excellent car but prices are still a little on the high side with a little more room to depreciate IMO. Motors have shown to be very reliable. And more tunes are becoming available for them.

If you have the money and want the newest, lowest mile 997 turbo available then the 2010-2013 is your car.

Doc V.

6-speed or PDK for 2010-13 Turbo/Turbo Cabriolet
PDK only for 2010-12 Turbo S

CincyScott

You guys are morons. M96 for evah!

aa909

It's interesting to see how far they can push the Mezger block:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAu81yWtexM

Rogor

The answer of your question depends on who you're asking.
It's like asking what engine do you prefer an air-cooled or a water-cooled?
The air cooled owners will always say that this engine is the last real Porsche boxer engine, while the watercooled owner will say you have to move on for more power and cleaner exhaust gasses.

In this case the Mezger owners (like me) will always prefer this engine because of it's racing heritage and (maybe) its durability and |(very seldom applied) high tuning capabilities.
Be honest how may 997.1 TT owners will tune their cars above 600 hp? 1%? less?
I wouldn't, but just the fact it's possible is a plus for me.

So if you are not in the air-cooled/water-cooled/Metzger/DFI phase and just want what suites you best, the DFI with PDK is probably the best choice.

Forgot to mention, the depreciation is indeed over. I bought mine for € 55.000,- two years ago, wit 60.000 km on the clock. I haven't seen 997.1 TT MT for less, even with high miles on it.
With other words, this might be a car to sell with a profit. Which for me was also tempting. The 997.1 TT MT might become a collectors item.

Team Plutonium

Mezger > DFI, no question. While I love my 997.2 I wish I would have been more patient to find the perfect 997.1.

jem7v

The perfect one would be a 2009 since the PCM would be upgraded. I just like the fixes they made in the 2010-2013 cars. I feel if you aren't modding the engine past the limit of the DFI, the DFI car is the better overall car to get.

Granted yea the 2007-2009 is cheaper, but it's also an older car, thats to be expected. Plus it's difficult to find them low milage, no issues, with all the right options. You get a turbo S and you don't have to worry about options really. That's the only thing I like about the GTR for example is everything was standard. It makes finding the right used one way easier.

Team Plutonium

That was my reason, but I probably could've waited a bit more and found a low milage one. I'm modding mine quite a bit, so the Mezger would've given me more to work with since the block can hold crazy amounts of power. Having said that, BBI has a DFI 4.0 conversion, which has to be incredible. Unfortunately it is most def out of my price range and hard to justify.

jem7v

Actually in reality the DFI is not the problem at all. It was only a matter of time before somebody comes out with a kit to give it equal power to the mezger. And with the upgraded internals, the DFI would become a better engine than the mezger. But the issue is the PDK. I know Betim is working on beefing it up for the stroker kit, but honestly I don't know if I'd trust anyone to cut the PDK open and play with it. If they were willing to warranty it if it broke, only then would I do it.

Guybrush Wilkinson

I plan no or moderate mods. Tune and exhaust perhaps. I was curious to know about DFI engine issues but seems like there is none. That is good news. My country has an insane car tax and newer turbos are rare. I have never seen a DFI with MT for sale. The DFI version I am negotiating right now has an extended warranty so if things go my way I will be safe untill 2020. No mods untill then I assume.

I have watched the market in Finland, Sweden, Germany and Italy with a magnifying glass for quite some time. mk1 MTs have appreciated strongly and there are not many available. A tip goes for 40-50tEUR, an MT 60+, same condition, same mileage. If I buy one from another country (2007 model) the car tax to be paid for the Finnish government will be about 30tEUR.

Pricewise it sums up like this. 2007TT (a good one) 90 to 100tEUR incl tax. 2010 DFI 120 to 130tEUR.

Team Plutonium

There isn't an official price yet, but there is no doubt in my mind that a 4.0 liter DFI is not gonna happen for me. A stroker motor for the e92/90 M3 was around $30K with the core send in. Can't imagine what this will cost. If you are committed to that point any warranty issues wouldn't keep me up at night, it's all out the window.

TB993tt

Yowsers a chocolate gearbox as well ?

gotgolf52

9A1 DFI engine in the 997.2TT are extremely reliable, I haven't heard anything wrong with that engine. Also 997.2TT equipped with better technology, audio and Bluetooth technology and most importantly better suspension.
But prices of 997.2TT and low mileage 997.1TT are very very close gap, Mezger with manual tranny most likely become more desirable in the years ahead. I was in the market for low mileage 997.1TT MT or 997.2TT MT, in the end I went with Mezger MT and no regret so far.

Rogor

I also think the prices of a 997.1 TT MT bounces back up.
Then again, the prices you mention for Finland are insane.....
Buy the nicest Turbo you see, doesn't matter if it is a .1 or .2, you always can sum up a list of pro's....
(ok, rather not a tip)