eurotom

Seems like you have a great resource glad to hear of honesty in the industry. First, I'm not and advocate of Tubi nor do I believe that the best mods happened to be on my car. My point is that my ears tell me that the sound difference between all of the AM exhaust (with cats) is marginal. I come from Contract MFG so I do agree that the quality and finish of Europipe is excellent, at least from the exterior. Going back to honesty, Europipe customer service from what I hear is excellent and this is huge factor when it comes to any modification done to our cars. Anyone shopping for exhaust should factor this in to their decision.

There are very few participants on these forums vs readers and these type of threads can lead people into making a decision without sufficient data. (no offense to you Paul or anyone else)

Advice to all, don't listen to youtube clips or vendor videos, find a car with your target exhaust and go for a ride before you buy.

speed21

Tom I believe his info on these systems available on todays market is not just exclusive "for my ears only". I guess a lot really depends upon what you ask a person sometimes. Once a vendor or person starts watering down the discussion point of drone then to me it's a foregone conclusion the drone problem exists.

Incidentally re the Techart which I called out previously (sorry phillip) as being another system with drone along with cargraphic, tubi and others, fyi the vendor i've mentioned isn't the only vendor who has quoted these systems as having drone and ordinary performance without a tune. This other vendor, who incidentally has personally sold another system to replace a Techart, asssured me the TA system is not only definitely a droning **** but also that it didn't do much in the power dept and that the boost hit at @ 3000rpms in much the same fashion as the Stock system did...so nothing gained there. The EP2 had super fast spool up and boost. He said the volume of the TA drone was also louder inside than the EP2 system he replaced it by with by a significant amount and TA's drone extended much further into the rev range making the car unpleasant and eventually intolerable to drive....hence the changeout. This info is just as an FYI....and NOT for any purpose to get any Techart user (or any other sytem) that may like their system offside.....and appologies if i have.

I just think that so many buyers/users of these systems don't have any idea whatsoever of just how ordinary their systems really are in comparison to the EP products and get far too caught up in the noise they make on the outside....even though Tom as you correctly point out the volumes are all much the same.

For EG whilst i quoted the EP2 as having a drone, which Stef fully admits to, Ive been told by a vendor it's drone is much less audible than the Techarts, Tubi, and numerous others however, the power which the EP2 produces puts these other systems to total utter shame.

I think it is truly fabulous to hear certain users are immune to the drone problem but to be perfectly honest that doesn't mean anything to me because i'm not immune it.

I'm just so glad to have found that there are at least a couple of vendors out there that are able to call a system for what it is even if they are selling the damn things and be honest enough when asked by a buyer whether it drones or not....and, also whether it performs or not without needing a tune to beef up the losses. That to me is priceless info for any buyer.

gt32

I installed the EP 1 on my 09 turbo and noticed the reduced lag, more power and overall better response along with an amazing sound which had no drone at all. Stef was above and beyond helpful and the product is by far worth every dollar!!! The issue is that the sound is subjective when it comes to what exhaust but the elimination of drone and improved performance is not. The proof is in the research of the forums as the answer is clear- "There is No Substitute " Europipe!!!!

speed21

.....well apparently there is supposedly one other substitute that doesn't drone and makes genuine power that can actually be felt and that is the Akra system. Unfortunately though given its massively expensive price tag there hasn't been enough user feedback to back up the claims. That said, Akra is an OE supplier to Porsche so they have done their R and D properly so I'm at least somewhat confident the product will live up to its claims.

So yes I would have to agree that at this stage in the game based upon a few honest vendors and every solitary user review you come across Europipe evidently holds the Trophy ...and by a very long shot. The rest of the checkered bunch evidently have way too much "subjectivity" going on....some sadly moreso than others. Having had my own fingers burned before all this subjectivity is just not a good sign at all to me. I'd safely say I think you'd need to at least knowingly possess some sort of drone immunity to risk it....either that or have a set ear plugs and a box of Panadol forte in the car as a back up for the passenger...and maybe even a sick bag for those long trips.

eas993

Supersport Muffler X-Pipe or Sharkwerkz Exhaust for a 997.2tt???

GTRNICK

I think drone is a personal thing to take into consideration as everyones ears and tolerance levels are different so what might be loud to one person might be slightly toned down to another and same for the drone! So I would take what everyone is saying with a pinch of salt and try and get in cars with the systems in mind before making a decision if you are that bothered!!!!

TT Surgeon

I think we've beaten this horse to death........

dianic

Hey Doc you changed your avatar from your two beloved black 911s to the fat tire burnout? Whats the story behind this? Did I miss the post? Cmon spill the beans.

speed21

It's called drone immunity nick. No salt required here. You have either have it or you don't. Making an exhaust for people who don't possess the immunity has proven to be an issue for most manufacturers.

Yeh as Dianic says what on earth has happened to your car Chris? I sure hope that's not the new body kit? LOL if it is. Let's hope Techart ain't responsible for that. Although you must like it seeing that it's taken preference over the old avatar. Is that also you behind the wheel? It looks like an old Holden? Let's here it..

Now re the dead horse. The topics of Tunes exhausts and pretty well 99% of todays threads you read are dead horses. Thankfully we all still love beating dead horses or RL and 6 would be out of business long ago....

PS. What the next dead horse you guys want to beat up on? We need some new horses but where do we get em from?

speed21

Ok stick's out again. Sorry horse.

Now i do know the S/Werks makes good sound on the .2tt car. Not sure about the power. Maybe sharky can chime in there and elaborate or just PM him. The .2tt DFI engine is apparently far less susceptible to drone than the .1tt. So those with no drone immunity have a larger selection to choose from.

TT Surgeon

That's a 55 Chevy thats identical to the one my brother and I campaigned for years in the 80s.
Ran 10 flat in the 1/4, bad to the bone.

speed21

Aha. ...trip down memory lane then....a bit of nostalgia...

Ahh dem good ole days..

phillipj

Okay... I have the next horse to beat.. Side skirts and bumper cover upgrades for the 997-1 TT.. Anybody?

phillipj

Okay Chris I'm sure you will appreciate this.. Here is a pic of my Dad's Top fuel car at Lions drag strip. I was about 6 years old then and was always in the "push truck" The other photo is a gentleman who I believe bought the original chassis. He re created the car and takes it to nostalgia shows. My Dads Name was Larry Stellings.. The Car was the S & H car.. (Stellings & Hampshire)

I used to hang around in the pits Don Garlts, Don Prudome and Tom McKewen. That was super cool. My Dad had low ET in the world (at that time) in a later car called "The Silver Fox" Low ET of 6.54 was set at Irwindale at a night race.. I was there. I think it was 1968. .. It was a big deal.. He was at the top of his game in the Top Fuel world and then quit.. Go Figure..

TT Surgeon

Yes, I know all those guys, very cool.
Those cars were scary as **** to drive, your dad was the man!