964 Turbo 3.6 - would you trade
#16
OP you're posing this question in a GT3 forum so there's inevitably a built-in bias among the responses.
I qualify my thoughts below from a strictly financial perspective. There is no doubt that the 7-3 is eons beyond the 964 can ever be. Anybody who argue otherwise should really drive the cars back-to-back and objectively assess (I have).
The 3.6T has a light nose and not enough front track. By the time one's finessed the balance at turn-in to get enough front grip, the rear will be moments from stepping out. Not linearly either--this tail doesn't slide as much as it hops! Add to that atrocious turbo lag from the old school KKK snail and you'll conclude that the 3.6T is really a straight line car.
Back to value, then. There is an element of froth in air cooled turbos today, but the same applies to 997s as well. Question is, which is *more* frothy?
The 3.6T has the benefit of a relatively small run (1,500-odd) and a wider following vs. track-focused cars. Pop culture, auction exposure, etc. all translate into a certain boost in demand. When you boil that down to supply-demand, there's a cogent case to be made for the 3.6T and that's not a minority opinion. That's not to say the car will continue to appreciate--all I'm saying is the car's "made it" as one of the recognized faces of the 964 generation, just below the tier of megas like the RS3.8, 3.3TLB and C4LB.
As to the 7-3, I'm just not constructive around pricing. IMO the best case will see values holding flat for some time. Ample supply (5,000+ across gens), and plenty more recognizable cars in the 997 era. The price people put on these things today are based on their *driving* value, which is bound to decline in time as other manual GT offerings come to market.
I wouldn't flat trade a 964 3.6T for 964 RS 3.6, much less a 7-3. Heck, I wouldn't even trade a well-sorted 3.6T for two (2x) 7-3's, that's honest.
I qualify my thoughts below from a strictly financial perspective. There is no doubt that the 7-3 is eons beyond the 964 can ever be. Anybody who argue otherwise should really drive the cars back-to-back and objectively assess (I have).
The 3.6T has a light nose and not enough front track. By the time one's finessed the balance at turn-in to get enough front grip, the rear will be moments from stepping out. Not linearly either--this tail doesn't slide as much as it hops! Add to that atrocious turbo lag from the old school KKK snail and you'll conclude that the 3.6T is really a straight line car.
Back to value, then. There is an element of froth in air cooled turbos today, but the same applies to 997s as well. Question is, which is *more* frothy?
The 3.6T has the benefit of a relatively small run (1,500-odd) and a wider following vs. track-focused cars. Pop culture, auction exposure, etc. all translate into a certain boost in demand. When you boil that down to supply-demand, there's a cogent case to be made for the 3.6T and that's not a minority opinion. That's not to say the car will continue to appreciate--all I'm saying is the car's "made it" as one of the recognized faces of the 964 generation, just below the tier of megas like the RS3.8, 3.3TLB and C4LB.
As to the 7-3, I'm just not constructive around pricing. IMO the best case will see values holding flat for some time. Ample supply (5,000+ across gens), and plenty more recognizable cars in the 997 era. The price people put on these things today are based on their *driving* value, which is bound to decline in time as other manual GT offerings come to market.
I wouldn't flat trade a 964 3.6T for 964 RS 3.6, much less a 7-3. Heck, I wouldn't even trade a well-sorted 3.6T for two (2x) 7-3's, that's honest.
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dont be an idiot
no matter if you need the car or not.
964 3.6T? i wont trade it for RS4.0 let alone a RS3.8
a lot of RX3.8
very few 3.6T
i say this and i dont even like turbos, in fact i hate them.
but 964 3.6T is something else.
no matter if you need the car or not.
964 3.6T? i wont trade it for RS4.0 let alone a RS3.8
a lot of RX3.8
very few 3.6T
i say this and i dont even like turbos, in fact i hate them.
but 964 3.6T is something else.
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and the 993TT is actually a better car to drive than the 3.6 in terms of the power band etc. I feel like the 964 is a fun and hairy chested car but will definitely feel sluggish at anything below 10/10ths coming from a GT3 or anything water-cooled.
the idea overall though is what REALLY floats your boat. The 964 3.6T is a gorgeous and classic porsche.
the idea overall though is what REALLY floats your boat. The 964 3.6T is a gorgeous and classic porsche.
just parked gives me woody
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So I got few more details but not much.
I got the offer after posting mine for sale (damm RS itch), I haven't seen the car.
It isn't a 3.6 as I thought but a 3.3. I did not know those existed as well with the facelift as well.
Car is 130k km engine rebuilt is recent.
Doesn't strike me as a deal I am willing to take since I was trying to get a marginally better (RS) car, not a lesser driving experience. Understood "lesser" is a strong word.
I think I will stay focus on my initial goal. 3.8 RS or keep my vanilla GT3
I got the offer after posting mine for sale (damm RS itch), I haven't seen the car.
It isn't a 3.6 as I thought but a 3.3. I did not know those existed as well with the facelift as well.
Car is 130k km engine rebuilt is recent.
Doesn't strike me as a deal I am willing to take since I was trying to get a marginally better (RS) car, not a lesser driving experience. Understood "lesser" is a strong word.
I think I will stay focus on my initial goal. 3.8 RS or keep my vanilla GT3
#22
Awesome opportunity. Never owned a 964 but very low production #s of all 964s because of Porche financial situation at that time , various upgrades from G series including the value of AC turbo, that is a real hard one, because you know how special the GT3 is.
Good luck with decision.
Good luck with decision.
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So I got few more details but not much.
I got the offer after posting mine for sale (damm RS itch), I haven't seen the car.
It isn't a 3.6 as I thought but a 3.3. I did not know those existed as well with the facelift as well.
Car is 130k km engine rebuilt is recent.
Doesn't strike me as a deal I am willing to take since I was trying to get a marginally better (RS) car, not a lesser driving experience. Understood "lesser" is a strong word.
I think I will stay focus on my initial goal. 3.8 RS or keep my vanilla GT3
I got the offer after posting mine for sale (damm RS itch), I haven't seen the car.
It isn't a 3.6 as I thought but a 3.3. I did not know those existed as well with the facelift as well.
Car is 130k km engine rebuilt is recent.
Doesn't strike me as a deal I am willing to take since I was trying to get a marginally better (RS) car, not a lesser driving experience. Understood "lesser" is a strong word.
I think I will stay focus on my initial goal. 3.8 RS or keep my vanilla GT3
whatever money they offer u, take it and do not argue with them
#29
I've had 964T 3.3, 993TT 36 and 997.1 GT3. The 964T is like being with a super model that uses teeth during oral sex. Not the end of the world, but certainly not as enjoyable as it should be. There is no car more beautiful than the 964T from a 1/4 front or 1/2 rear view, but the driving experience just doesn't live up to the expectation. I blame the CIS mechanical injection system. If all you want to do is store it as an art investment, a 964T is ideal for that, but if you want to drive it, the GT3 is several levels more rewarding and far less frustrating.
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