jackb911

I guess I need to pay more attention to what's happening elsewhere around here....

997s07

Thanks Larry. I am going to put out some feelers and see what happens. I will keep you posted.

Finlander

Heres a couple.

https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car...3-1999-?page=1

997s07

Wow. These prices are insane. Really not much below $200K.

brake dust

+100 Larry! 991 is very fast but doesn't have the connection with Motorsport as previous GTs.

christallon

The 996 GT3 feels incredible. No other car I've owned does everything as well.It captured everything that all previous cars did well individually and plugged it in to this one platform. The feedback, the feel, the attitude, even, dare I say, the looks. The cabin is spartan, the wheels perfectly matched, the body, well, has grown on me. The overall package is pure! Truly a Motorsport triumph, especially in the RS variant. My .02

Larry Cable

+1 especially when you think about this car's peers when launched ... its already a classic which is reflected in its price!

Ur20v

996 guy(s) like 996's
997.1 guy(s) like 997.1's
997.2 guy(s) like 997.2's
991 guy(s) like 991's
GT3 guy(s) like GT3's
RS guy(s) like RS's

There is a trend with little micro climates of differences between.

All great cars, liked, loved, indifference and hated in equal measures.

One things for sure the new kid ALWAYs gets the haters... Time will level to equal status... its physics!

007DT

THIS......

BTW 997.1 RS's are the best

golfnutintib

i was about to make a similar observation -- same title thread exists on the 991GT3 board -- the reactions there and unbridled support for the 1GT3 there pretty much proves the point.

at some level, given the segmentation of sub-forums by car model here on RL, and the self selection of people who hang out in each, what transpires is beyond obvious, it is totally and utterly predictable...people have put money where their mouths are, they have bought in to each flavor of kool aid

we are all pretty much preaching to our respective choirs

i would pay most attention to those who own several flavors concurrently (like me )

Earlierapex

Exactly. Passion and objectivity are inversely correlated.

At slow to moderate speeds, the 997 is more fun because of the interaction required with the manual. It's also a lot more difficult for an intermediate driver to drive because the car is very fast and requires heel/toe precision. However, once you have a ton of experience heel/toeing, it's no longer an interesting challenge - it's just a cumbersome anachronism that gets in the way of performance.

Said another way, the 997 is much more difficult to drive at the limit of individual experience. If you consider that "fun," then it is more fun. The 991 is more "fun" because of the sheer dynamic capabilities. Those who claim the 991 is not fun are likely driving it at an individual limit, which seems really fast in a 997 due to the complication of shifting, but is actually well short of the 991's capability.

The biggest knock on the 991 is that you have to drive it a little too fast to have fun. The biggest knock on the 997 is that it just doesn't have the performance envelope of the 991.

golfnutintib

Largely agree... but I would comment further here that there is more to the fun of the 997 than just the shifting with H/T. You need to manage the weight bias of the car more. It requires more concentration to drive well, and achieve good lap times, than the 991. Doing it well is always a challenge, I do not believe it is something that one quickly outgrows and gets bored with.

I have the mentality in my advanced DE group when guys in Cup Cars may pass me, for instance...well they just have a bigger performance envelope... it hardly bothers me that they are faster (when a guy in the same car passes me, well then I am on his tail seeing what he is doing hahaha)... point is, with a 997 I am more fully engaged, having great fun, and most importantly, challenging myself. That's just me.

audipwr1

Most people don't see anywhere near the performance envelope of any GT car - buy whichever gets you excited. They are all fantastic

Earlierapex

Very well said, and I totally get it. I guess I just see it a little differently. To me, the great thing about 911s is not that they are "difficult," it's that the rear weight bias gives you a tool that increases your ability to precisely control and place the car. The 991 has this without the disadvantage of a less-well-controlled front-end/understeer tendency (which is one of the most frustrating aspects of driving 911s).

Larry Cable

+1 I think for me I like Walter Rohl's quote when asked about his favorite car (964 RS) when demoing the 991GT3, (I paraphrase) "when I drive this car fast it is because of the car, when I drive my RS fast it is because of me".

That for me encapsulates the spirit of the 911 and in particular the RS and GT3 philosophy and why (having owned the 1st 4 generations of the GT3) that I think the 6.2 RS will be the new "'72 RS" of this model range.

There is no disputing that each generation is a better car, faster and easier to extract performance from, but for me the 'connection' started to slip away
after the 6.2... and the 7.2 is the last in that genus IMO YMMV.