997.2 GT3 to 991 GT3 - Would You trade?
#76
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I didn't buy the same car but upgraded to a .2 after owning an M3 for over a year.
The .2 has more torque (power, grunt, what ever you'd like to call it) down low and mid range. The suspension is more compliant, better dampened and less twitchy. The car certainly feels more planted and stable.
The .2 has more torque (power, grunt, what ever you'd like to call it) down low and mid range. The suspension is more compliant, better dampened and less twitchy. The car certainly feels more planted and stable.
As for the 991 depreciation, it's a complete crapshoot. No one knows for sure what will happen to the values, but I doubt they go down that bad. Only scenario where the 991 would directly be affected is if the 991.2 comes out with a manual....
#77
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Glad to hear you got back into the GT3. I had the same thoughts about the difference between the two when I drove Deputy's car.
As for the 991 depreciation, it's a complete crapshoot. No one knows for sure what will happen to the values, but I doubt they go down that bad. Only scenario where the 991 would directly be affected is if the 991.2 comes out with a manual....
As for the 991 depreciation, it's a complete crapshoot. No one knows for sure what will happen to the values, but I doubt they go down that bad. Only scenario where the 991 would directly be affected is if the 991.2 comes out with a manual....
If the 991.2 comes manual it will affect the 997 prices quite a bit. As a side note the engine from the 991 RS will be used in Cups starting next year so if they indeed prove to be track durable the prices of the 991 will retain their values much better and the 997 prices will drop for sure.
#78
I think I like the number 7 more than the number 1. Only reason.
Did anybody mention lack of tire options? My RS is ordered and I'm getting sick thinking about the price of new versus take offs.
Did anybody mention lack of tire options? My RS is ordered and I'm getting sick thinking about the price of new versus take offs.
#79
I can't see 991.1 pdk price crashing if 991.2 has a manual option- it has already been proven that pdk makes the car more sellable to the masses- manual may well be tract rat option of choice so may pull a premium over the manual if supply is limited.
I don't think any ones crystal ball is that good on the subject of desireabilty but I wouldn't bet aganst all itterations of the 991 being a success for time in memorial.
I don't think any ones crystal ball is that good on the subject of desireabilty but I wouldn't bet aganst all itterations of the 991 being a success for time in memorial.
#80
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I can't see 991.1 pdk price crashing if 991.2 has a manual option- it has already been proven that pdk makes the car more sellable to the masses- manual may well be tract rat option of choice so may pull a premium over the manual if supply is limited.
I don't think any ones crystal ball is that good on the subject of desireabilty but I wouldn't bet aganst all itterations of the 991 being a success for time in memorial.
I don't think any ones crystal ball is that good on the subject of desireabilty but I wouldn't bet aganst all itterations of the 991 being a success for time in memorial.
But you're right. Who knows really.
#81
Funny how this happens every time, no? 996 GT3 comes out, aircooled owners say "my car is more pure, the new one is too big / heavy". Then the 997.1 GT3 comes out, and 996 GT3 owners say "it's gotten soft, the new one is just a street car with fancy suspension bits". Then it's the 997.2 -- "yeah it's got more displacement, but the suspension is too compliant, the old car is more direct". Now the 991 is too much like a Playstation, automatics are for lazy drivers, etc.
Not disputing that the 991 is an easier car to drive fast -- and a 997.2 is easier to drive fast than a 930 Turbo. I watched people drive 991 GT3s all weekend at CotA and they are just /unbelievably/ fast. I probably wouldn't buy a '14 just because of the resale question, but there's no doubt in my mind that the 991 is objectively the better car of the two, and probably just as fun to drive fast. I'm keeping my 997 for now because it's a legendary car too, no doubt -- but I'm sure I will eventually make the leap.
Not disputing that the 991 is an easier car to drive fast -- and a 997.2 is easier to drive fast than a 930 Turbo. I watched people drive 991 GT3s all weekend at CotA and they are just /unbelievably/ fast. I probably wouldn't buy a '14 just because of the resale question, but there's no doubt in my mind that the 991 is objectively the better car of the two, and probably just as fun to drive fast. I'm keeping my 997 for now because it's a legendary car too, no doubt -- but I'm sure I will eventually make the leap.
Using your logic the 996 is objectively better than the 993. Good luck winning that argument.
#82
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I don't know if this helps you, but I've got a 2010 RS that Im possibly trading for a 991 Gt3 (15). There is NO question the RS is BY FAR the more fascinating, visceral, and amazing sports car I've ever owned. It's seriously a treat to drive it every time and it's a blast.
However, I'm at a time where I never get to the track (sold my Gt3 cup) and can rarely actually go take a long drive for drives sake and not worry about where Im going to be due to either potholes or errands or what have you. Having the RS out for an entire day, while totally possible, does provide certain headaches (and mine has a JRZ RS Pro 2 way suspension on it and lowered with the lift disabled so obviously that adds to it) that the 991 GT3 doesnt have. I actually don't even think the 991 GT3 is even a real GT car...but I LOVE the 991 style and technology for a regular car, and the 991 can do all the "regular car things" that the RS can have trouble with from time to time. A 15 gt3 will hold its value pretty well over time and can be driven to boot. Granted the 6 speed gt3s are always solid value wise, but I'm wondering how long this is going to last...especially if they start putting 6/7 speeds in more new Porsches.
Just my .2 and a half.
However, I'm at a time where I never get to the track (sold my Gt3 cup) and can rarely actually go take a long drive for drives sake and not worry about where Im going to be due to either potholes or errands or what have you. Having the RS out for an entire day, while totally possible, does provide certain headaches (and mine has a JRZ RS Pro 2 way suspension on it and lowered with the lift disabled so obviously that adds to it) that the 991 GT3 doesnt have. I actually don't even think the 991 GT3 is even a real GT car...but I LOVE the 991 style and technology for a regular car, and the 991 can do all the "regular car things" that the RS can have trouble with from time to time. A 15 gt3 will hold its value pretty well over time and can be driven to boot. Granted the 6 speed gt3s are always solid value wise, but I'm wondering how long this is going to last...especially if they start putting 6/7 speeds in more new Porsches.
Just my .2 and a half.
#83
There are a couple of things currently going for the 997.2 GT3. The engine with its vast Motorsports history is also a big factory in its collectibility, besides it being a 6 speed. As Porsche starts to develop the 9A1 engine for racing and if it starts winning, it would add to 991's collectibility.
I absolutely love my recently acquired 997.2 GT3 but the thought of 9k rpm and 475hp out of the same displacement has me drooling. Not sure I would swap though.
I absolutely love my recently acquired 997.2 GT3 but the thought of 9k rpm and 475hp out of the same displacement has me drooling. Not sure I would swap though.
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Decision taken.
Not swapping. I decided someone will just need to pry the 997.2 GT3 from my cold, dead fingers
Now that doesn't mean I won't get a 991 GT3. I'll just wait till I can have both in the garage....
Not swapping. I decided someone will just need to pry the 997.2 GT3 from my cold, dead fingers
Now that doesn't mean I won't get a 991 GT3. I'll just wait till I can have both in the garage....
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Sounds like a great plan They'll need to pry mine as well! That baby's not moving anywhere unless I drive her
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I realised one of the aspects of driving the 997.2 GT3 I truly enjoy the most today, while driving the car to the office this mid-morning on totally empty roads (it's a holiday here, and I have this filthy habit of going to the office for a cpl hours of blissful peaceful work on mid-week holidays).
It's how much I enjoy every minute when driving at 3/10ths to 6/10ths. How connected I feel with every click of gears changing, the perfect weigh of the steering at low to medium speeds. How the mezger engine wakes up in a bad mood most days, then becomes a sweet howling animal after a bit of warm-up.
It's how much I enjoy every minute when driving at 3/10ths to 6/10ths. How connected I feel with every click of gears changing, the perfect weigh of the steering at low to medium speeds. How the mezger engine wakes up in a bad mood most days, then becomes a sweet howling animal after a bit of warm-up.
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It's how much I enjoy every minute when driving at 3/10ths to 6/10ths. How connected I feel with every click of gears changing, the perfect weigh of the steering at low to medium speeds. How the mezger engine wakes up in a bad mood most days, then becomes a sweet howling animal after a bit of warm-up.
^^^ This
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I realised one of the aspects of driving the 997.2 GT3 I truly enjoy the most today, while driving the car to the office this mid-morning on totally empty roads (it's a holiday here, and I have this filthy habit of going to the office for a cpl hours of blissful peaceful work on mid-week holidays).
It's how much I enjoy every minute when driving at 3/10ths to 6/10ths. How connected I feel with every click of gears changing, the perfect weigh of the steering at low to medium speeds. How the mezger engine wakes up in a bad mood most days, then becomes a sweet howling animal after a bit of warm-up.
It's how much I enjoy every minute when driving at 3/10ths to 6/10ths. How connected I feel with every click of gears changing, the perfect weigh of the steering at low to medium speeds. How the mezger engine wakes up in a bad mood most days, then becomes a sweet howling animal after a bit of warm-up.
#90
So true. But no car is fun on a Tuesday in Florida traffic. To be honest I could care less what I use as a DD. As long as I can take a MT 911 out for a fun drive on a road or track of my liking.