towing open trailer with bmw x5d
03-03-2014 | 08:26 PM
#16
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About the cayenne diesel...I really wanted to like it, but overall I prefer the X5 by a large margin.
The cayenne interior buttons are hard plastic and feel cheap, the seat ventilation fans are so loud you think they'll put you in space, the transmission didn't really do what I wanted it to, and the engine didn't feel as strong as the X5, nor did it make enough of that diesel noise that I like. Overall, to me, the Cayenne didn't feel like a premium car.
If you weren't leasing a new one, a used '12 X5D is a bargain, and really not much has changed with the new one.
The cayenne interior buttons are hard plastic and feel cheap, the seat ventilation fans are so loud you think they'll put you in space, the transmission didn't really do what I wanted it to, and the engine didn't feel as strong as the X5, nor did it make enough of that diesel noise that I like. Overall, to me, the Cayenne didn't feel like a premium car.
If you weren't leasing a new one, a used '12 X5D is a bargain, and really not much has changed with the new one.
03-03-2014 | 08:28 PM
#17
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but that GMC you got is fine.
the one you help me get. 366 day today. 24800 miles.
03-03-2014 | 08:35 PM
#18
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New one has 'better' interior but mechanically they seem mostly the same except the new one I 'believe' has the new ZF 8spd tranny in it.
That 50k miles thing... wife's mini pissed coolant on the garage floor last night, damn thermostat housing leak. (well known issue). If she didn't love that car it'd be long gone. Last nights event has it living outside with the neighbors cats.
03-03-2014 | 08:38 PM
#19
About the cayenne diesel...I really wanted to like it, but overall I prefer the X5 by a large margin.
The cayenne interior buttons are hard plastic and feel cheap, the seat ventilation fans are so loud you think they'll put you in space, the transmission didn't really do what I wanted it to, and the engine didn't feel as strong as the X5, nor did it make enough of that diesel noise that I like. Overall, to me, the Cayenne didn't feel like a premium car.
If you weren't leasing a new one, a used '12 X5D is a bargain, and really not much has changed with the new one.
The cayenne interior buttons are hard plastic and feel cheap, the seat ventilation fans are so loud you think they'll put you in space, the transmission didn't really do what I wanted it to, and the engine didn't feel as strong as the X5, nor did it make enough of that diesel noise that I like. Overall, to me, the Cayenne didn't feel like a premium car.
If you weren't leasing a new one, a used '12 X5D is a bargain, and really not much has changed with the new one.
Look at the mpg numbers from the new X5 35i and they are almost as good as the older diesel.
03-03-2014 | 08:59 PM
#20
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Ah, wasn't aware that the transmission was changed! You're right - the new 35i actually exceeds the highway mileage of the old 35d.
03-03-2014 | 09:12 PM
#21
I've towed cars, boats, horses trailers, tractors etc with SUVs, and every manner of pickup up to and including F650s. If it's a bumper tag along you're just as well off with the right SUV than a half ton pickup. If you're going to go fifth wheel go to at least a 550. Just so happens my wife currently has an X5 diesel, it tows fine, not as good as the last gen touareg but with the proper setup and load spread you're gtg. Haven't sampled the new treg or pepper while towing.
Towing this little of weight you're better off with a dual purpose SUV than a pickup for the 80% of the time you're not towing IMO. We have an 11 but have the new X5d on order.
Towing this little of weight you're better off with a dual purpose SUV than a pickup for the 80% of the time you're not towing IMO. We have an 11 but have the new X5d on order.
03-03-2014 | 09:15 PM
#22
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but that GMC you got is fine.
the one you help me get. 366 day today. 24800 miles.
I could keep forever but want 15 gmc 1 ton long bed
03-03-2014 | 09:18 PM
#23
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I've towed cars, boats, horses trailers, tractors etc with SUVs, and every manner of pickup up to and including F650s. If it's a bumper tag along you're just as well off with the right SUV than a half ton pickup. If you're going to go fifth wheel go to at least a 550. Just so happens my wife currently has an X5 diesel, it tows fine, not as good as the last gen touareg but with the proper setup and load spread you're gtg. Haven't sampled the new treg or pepper while towing.
Towing this little of weight you're better off with a dual purpose SUV than a pickup for the 80% of the time you're not towing IMO. We have an 11 but have the new X5d on order.
Towing this little of weight you're better off with a dual purpose SUV than a pickup for the 80% of the time you're not towing IMO. We have an 11 but have the new X5d on order.
When towing u need mass..not all the time but sometimes
New ram diesel 1500 is better for open trailer
03-03-2014 | 09:23 PM
#24
Dealer I talked to said with x5d, the rear air can be had with 3 options: 3rd row seat, adaptive m suspension, or the full adaptive handling package. Need to confirm that.
Cayenne are really nice, but cash price once configured same as X5 is about 15k more, give or take. Plus BMW covers all services for 4 years. Plus BMW lease REALLY well. Like "cheap" well. Big residuals and really low MF (especially when you buy down with multiple security deposits). Porsche residuals and MF are quite a bit worse than BMWs subsidized rates. For a bunch of reasons prefer to lease my DD.
My DD for me now is a 535. And while the 535 is faster, the x5 drove as nice. I don't like the drive of the 535 msport that much, mushy, too soft. X5 actually felt firmer and drove better. Plenty of torque for around town. I've purposely stayed away from big power DD ... makes RS and my sports cars a little more special!
If I had the space, I'd consider a "real truck" but living by the beach, very limited parking, the RS and wife get the garage (that alone is a luxury here). My DD gets street parking. Trailer will live at my uncles shop yard tucked in a corner.
Anyway its a balance of compromises and for my needs/wants the diesel SUV as a DD / occasional tow vehicle appears to be winning at this point.
Cayenne are really nice, but cash price once configured same as X5 is about 15k more, give or take. Plus BMW covers all services for 4 years. Plus BMW lease REALLY well. Like "cheap" well. Big residuals and really low MF (especially when you buy down with multiple security deposits). Porsche residuals and MF are quite a bit worse than BMWs subsidized rates. For a bunch of reasons prefer to lease my DD.
My DD for me now is a 535. And while the 535 is faster, the x5 drove as nice. I don't like the drive of the 535 msport that much, mushy, too soft. X5 actually felt firmer and drove better. Plenty of torque for around town. I've purposely stayed away from big power DD ... makes RS and my sports cars a little more special!
If I had the space, I'd consider a "real truck" but living by the beach, very limited parking, the RS and wife get the garage (that alone is a luxury here). My DD gets street parking. Trailer will live at my uncles shop yard tucked in a corner.
Anyway its a balance of compromises and for my needs/wants the diesel SUV as a DD / occasional tow vehicle appears to be winning at this point.
03-03-2014 | 09:49 PM
#25
Since I've been in TX and every person including your banker and attorney drive a pickup to look authentic it gets irksome.
03-03-2014 | 10:17 PM
#26
just ordered X5 50i with trailer hitch to tow either my GT3 or Mustang. With a 3rd row no active rear suspension. I've towed plenty with Navigator L and GMC Denali XL. The smaller BMW should have the power to tow just not sure about its weight. should be interesting.
03-03-2014 | 10:20 PM
#27
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Tow a couple hundred miles and trans cooks fluid
03-03-2014 | 11:08 PM
#28
I have towed plenty with a TDI Touareg and aluminum open trailer and have no complaints at all. Cheaper than a Cayenne by quite a bit and, for these purposes, indistinguishable.
03-03-2014 | 11:16 PM
#29
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Absolutely correct, and it does tow just fine. Don't listen to me, I'm a handful of Angels Envy deep after a ridiculous tow home last night. How I'm still awake, or not in a ditch somewhere off I-65 North is a small miracle.
03-03-2014 | 11:57 PM
#30
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I have an x5d and really wouldn't want to use it for towing much at near 5000 lbs. it's a great rig, but up and down the grapevine to get from NorCal to SoCal and vice versa is something flat landers in Florida don't have to deal with. I would take the flat lander experience and advice with a grain of salt. You will be more comfortable with a nice half ton. Get a crew cab with 4 wheel drive, canopy and bed rug and you won't miss the SUV, plus be better equipped to handle the variety of terrain out west.