For the collector, what is worth buying for 20 years down the road.
#17
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Generally speaking, cars that were expensive to purchase new, built in quantities less than 500, with either direct racing pedigree or are derived from their racing brethren, have appreciated the most.
If you have done so already, investigate the HAGI Index - it does a great job of tracking the market.
If you have done so already, investigate the HAGI Index - it does a great job of tracking the market.
#18
fully agreed on the low production and racing pedigree cars - RS were always the most thought after.
One word on the speedster: for me this the most "bubble" car of the Porsche´s, its mainly driven by baby boomers from the 50-60s - I really dont see a 30 year old today to spent 300k on a speedster in 20 years when for the same money he could buy a 997.2GT3RS, GT2RS etc which offer a lot more driving thrill. The more hybrids we get, the more "driver cars" will aprreciate. For the speedster (I just pick them as an example) this does not count, neither for for normal 964s, 993s - they are nice cars - but wont appreciate by another 100% - 930 slantnose (for example) is a however a different case.
Supercars like F40, F50, Mclaren F1 - will increase further (we also forgot add the C-GT here).
One word on the speedster: for me this the most "bubble" car of the Porsche´s, its mainly driven by baby boomers from the 50-60s - I really dont see a 30 year old today to spent 300k on a speedster in 20 years when for the same money he could buy a 997.2GT3RS, GT2RS etc which offer a lot more driving thrill. The more hybrids we get, the more "driver cars" will aprreciate. For the speedster (I just pick them as an example) this does not count, neither for for normal 964s, 993s - they are nice cars - but wont appreciate by another 100% - 930 slantnose (for example) is a however a different case.
Supercars like F40, F50, Mclaren F1 - will increase further (we also forgot add the C-GT here).
#19
Three Wheelin'
I disagree, kids today don't care about drivers car, they want car with technology, ie bluetooth, media interface etc.
When the collectors of today, say 50++, are no longer with us, all the cars they collected will be returned to the marked and as a result, prices will go down. Look at the marked for cars built in the 30's to the 60's - prices are very low except a few foreign cars (Lambo, Ferrari, etc) . Jaguar E type are priced from 30 to 80k.
My view - collect for the next 10 yrs, monitor marked, and when the 50++ are no longer with us, sell before the marked crashes.
When the collectors of today, say 50++, are no longer with us, all the cars they collected will be returned to the marked and as a result, prices will go down. Look at the marked for cars built in the 30's to the 60's - prices are very low except a few foreign cars (Lambo, Ferrari, etc) . Jaguar E type are priced from 30 to 80k.
My view - collect for the next 10 yrs, monitor marked, and when the 50++ are no longer with us, sell before the marked crashes.
#20
Burning Brakes
If you follow the markets, then you'll know the consensus trade is the wrong one.
Go on autotrader and it's littered with RSs. Particularly the expensive .2 kind. Something tells me that's the top.
Curious how no one mentions the $200k car from the 996 range which is rarer than I think both .1 and .2 RS's. The GT2.
When the new car hits the streets again in (and it will) expect things to settle. In fact, I think the market is softening already.
Go on autotrader and it's littered with RSs. Particularly the expensive .2 kind. Something tells me that's the top.
Curious how no one mentions the $200k car from the 996 range which is rarer than I think both .1 and .2 RS's. The GT2.
When the new car hits the streets again in (and it will) expect things to settle. In fact, I think the market is softening already.
#21
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For some reason I don't think the .2 GT3RS will be bringing in the big big dough. They built too many of them. Not unless someone can dig up the numbers of manufacture I will change my mind on that one.
You won't see a 996 GT3RS in the states unless you import one!
For me if I was going to go out and buy a car for the future, I would still drive it though, it would be the 993 TTS for certain. I could see it trading at CGT an .2 4.0 prices someday!
You won't see a 996 GT3RS in the states unless you import one!
For me if I was going to go out and buy a car for the future, I would still drive it though, it would be the 993 TTS for certain. I could see it trading at CGT an .2 4.0 prices someday!
#22
Car Years of Production Engine Displacement Power (bhp) Power (kW) Weight in Pounds Weight in Kg Units Built
996 GT3 (Mk1) 1999-2001 3.6 360 268 2,976.2 1350 1,868
996 GT3 (Mk2) 2003-2005 3.6 381 284 3,042.4 1380 2,313
996 GT3 RS 2003-2004 3.6 381 284 2,998.3 1360 682
997 GT3 (Mk1) 2006-2009 3.6 415 309 3,075.4 1394 2,378[45]
997 GT3 RS (Mk1) 2006-2009 3.6 415 309 3,031.4 1375 1,909
997 GT3 (Mk2) 2009-2011 3.8 435 324 3,075.4 1394 N/A
997 GT3 RS (Mk2) 2009-2011 3.8 450 336 3,020.3 1370 Approx. 1,600
997 GT3 RS 4.0 2011 4.0 500 373 2,998.3 1360 600
991 GT3 2013- 3.8 475 354 3,152.6 1430 NA
996 GT3 (Mk1) 1999-2001 3.6 360 268 2,976.2 1350 1,868
996 GT3 (Mk2) 2003-2005 3.6 381 284 3,042.4 1380 2,313
996 GT3 RS 2003-2004 3.6 381 284 2,998.3 1360 682
997 GT3 (Mk1) 2006-2009 3.6 415 309 3,075.4 1394 2,378[45]
997 GT3 RS (Mk1) 2006-2009 3.6 415 309 3,031.4 1375 1,909
997 GT3 (Mk2) 2009-2011 3.8 435 324 3,075.4 1394 N/A
997 GT3 RS (Mk2) 2009-2011 3.8 450 336 3,020.3 1370 Approx. 1,600
997 GT3 RS 4.0 2011 4.0 500 373 2,998.3 1360 600
991 GT3 2013- 3.8 475 354 3,152.6 1430 NA
#23
993 TT's are dogs...and I have a 964 Turbo...it's an even bigger dog. Don't get me started with the 930's. These air cooled turbos are interesting experiences, but not much beyond the initial wow factor.
While 993 TT S is a rare model, the 964 Turbo S even more so...but I see their desirability dropping over time. These cars are just not that fun to drive in stock form ultimately...They feel pretty ancient.
While 993 TT S is a rare model, the 964 Turbo S even more so...but I see their desirability dropping over time. These cars are just not that fun to drive in stock form ultimately...They feel pretty ancient.
#24
Not quite the same, but how do you think the X51's will evolve ?
How will a low mileage, mint 993 4S 3.8 X51 do in 15 years ?
Factory options x1 and x2 ( turbo s spoilers front and back), finished off in beautifull speed yellow ;-)
How will a low mileage, mint 993 4S 3.8 X51 do in 15 years ?
Factory options x1 and x2 ( turbo s spoilers front and back), finished off in beautifull speed yellow ;-)
#26
Agree with TGAVEM. More and more, kids today don't give a crap about the same things we do. If they care about cars at all, its cool to be green, ugly, slow, and look like a boombox on wheels. 30 years from now at coffee and cars....Dude, is that an original gen1 lithium pack in your Insight? Sweeet! Fortunately, my children have been trained properly. If the value of my Porsches tank in the future, then I shall be buried in the nicest casket known to man.
#28
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#29
yes - I do agree on the situation of the younger people. Nonetheless, there might still be some petrolheads (after you let them make a test drive in an F40) that might be willing to pay a lot of money for these things.
However, I do agree - as the real net income of the younger people on average is lower then of the previous generation you might also see some hefty value losses in other areas. Would our children still pay 5Million for a super mansion? (maybe just 2,5Million), would our children still pay 5 Million for a Van Gogh painting?..questions over questions..basically, my point is: yes there is this risk that next generations will spend less on these things - but I doubt that it will only impact cars - and nothing else - its either "nothing" or "all" - and if you look at the impacts from the crisis on prices in Greece, Spain, Portugal etc..one might even conclude that "cars" are taking % wise less losses. An F40 located in a crisis region can still be auctioned off in London or Paris, that expensive mansion cant "move geographically"..
However, I do agree - as the real net income of the younger people on average is lower then of the previous generation you might also see some hefty value losses in other areas. Would our children still pay 5Million for a super mansion? (maybe just 2,5Million), would our children still pay 5 Million for a Van Gogh painting?..questions over questions..basically, my point is: yes there is this risk that next generations will spend less on these things - but I doubt that it will only impact cars - and nothing else - its either "nothing" or "all" - and if you look at the impacts from the crisis on prices in Greece, Spain, Portugal etc..one might even conclude that "cars" are taking % wise less losses. An F40 located in a crisis region can still be auctioned off in London or Paris, that expensive mansion cant "move geographically"..
#30
Nordschleife Master
I don't know...can you make real money(profit)with cars,even collectible ones?
Let's say you buy it today with X amount of money,keep and maintain it(maintenance is very important and costly) for 10 years and sell it for 2X amount of money. With depreciation in mind,is your profit 2X of the amount you had 10 years ago...?
Of course this is just a very simple equation,there are a lot of variables involved...
Let's say you buy it today with X amount of money,keep and maintain it(maintenance is very important and costly) for 10 years and sell it for 2X amount of money. With depreciation in mind,is your profit 2X of the amount you had 10 years ago...?
Of course this is just a very simple equation,there are a lot of variables involved...