Porsche considering manual option for 991 RS
02-18-2014, 05:37 PM
#31
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lets see about that ..if more and more people are aware about the 991 GT3 crap.. At first I was angry that Porsche didnt offer a manual anymore..now I´m thinking for 997 Gt owners the situation couldnt be better.. - no GT3 with motorsport pedigree anymore - no manual anymore - worldwide coverage on 991 GT3 flaws..first delays for 6 month + fire.. all in all - this is very good news for 997 GT owners..it couldnt be better. Thank you Porsche..youre just destroying the GT3 name right now..but the good news is that 991 GT3 owners will suffer from it..not 997 GT owners, therefore, I dont want a manual 991 GT3 anymore and Im sure Porsche will not build one anymore. Long live the manual 997 GT cars..
Shhhhhhh....
Better keep your voice down on that one....
The above is totally not true!!! Better all of you start dumping cheap your 997 GT cars and buy the new bling that is faster and better.
02-18-2014, 05:48 PM
#32
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The car has far more universal appeal to a mass market... no one under the age of 30 is complaining about PDK only or 20 inch rims or centerlocks... they are jerking off on forza to N-ring times while their options appreciate... or while their app gains traction... or whatever. Then they are getting a GT3... missing the point that the gt3 legend was created by the 996 and 997.1 and 997.2 lineage which was based on the cup blah blah blah... the next big group of buyers does not seem to really care about any of that and even if they did, what choice do they have?
You're right, I don't care about PDK-only (because it's better), the 20in wheels (because they allow a bigger OD with a larger contact patch and better bump absorption), or the centerlocks (because they look damn cool...well, maybe they are a pain in the *** after all).
Technology marches on - if you like your older technology - continue to drive your older 911. That simple.
Can you imagine 50 years ago someone complaining about the latest, so called, "driver's cars?"
"...you can even put the throttle to the floor coming out of turns without flooding the engine with fuel!"
"Preposterous - these new cars drive themselves!"
02-18-2014, 05:54 PM
#33
hey, be easy on the under 30 crowd! 
they will get the fire stuff sorted out... its the attainable halo car in a way the 918 is not...
once they sort it out, it will whip some *** at the ring and people will be in the 991GT3 forum talking about how great the double paddle pull is the easiest clutch kick they have ever done and how RWS makes it so controllable blah blah blah
as a wise man told me -- the silicon valley guys will gobble them all up... they will finally be able to go "gtr fast" and not have to be in a Nissan.
The car has far more universal appeal to a mass market... no one under the age of 30 is complaining about PDK only or 20 inch rims or centerlocks... they are jerking off on forza to N-ring times while their options appreciate... or while their app gains traction... or whatever. Then they are getting a GT3... missing the point that the gt3 legend was created by the 996 and 997.1 and 997.2 lineage which was based on the cup blah blah blah... the next big group of buyers does not seem to really care about any of that and even if they did, what choice do they have?
when Porsche pulls the manual trans that AP said was integral to the gt3 experience... you know the manual trans is dead within Porsche.
I am glad Porsche held out as long as they did...
buy a 4.0RS
it is the 911R of 2035
once they sort it out, it will whip some *** at the ring and people will be in the 991GT3 forum talking about how great the double paddle pull is the easiest clutch kick they have ever done and how RWS makes it so controllable blah blah blah
as a wise man told me -- the silicon valley guys will gobble them all up... they will finally be able to go "gtr fast" and not have to be in a Nissan.
The car has far more universal appeal to a mass market... no one under the age of 30 is complaining about PDK only or 20 inch rims or centerlocks... they are jerking off on forza to N-ring times while their options appreciate... or while their app gains traction... or whatever. Then they are getting a GT3... missing the point that the gt3 legend was created by the 996 and 997.1 and 997.2 lineage which was based on the cup blah blah blah... the next big group of buyers does not seem to really care about any of that and even if they did, what choice do they have?
when Porsche pulls the manual trans that AP said was integral to the gt3 experience... you know the manual trans is dead within Porsche.
I am glad Porsche held out as long as they did...
buy a 4.0RS
it is the 911R of 2035
02-18-2014, 06:00 PM
#34
Thank you Porsche..you're just destroying the GT3 name right now
02-18-2014, 06:18 PM
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Porsche will release some news this week..hold your breath I can only say. In a few months things might look differently...but lets see..
02-18-2014, 06:18 PM
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02-18-2014, 06:22 PM
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Most journalists say that the F40 is the best "drivers car"..and is the car 50 years old?
02-18-2014, 06:35 PM
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F40 is not 50 years old... It was current 1989-1991, if I recall correctly.
02-18-2014, 06:43 PM
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The car has far more universal appeal to a mass market... no one under the age of 30 is complaining about PDK only or 20 inch rims or centerlocks... they are jerking off on forza to N-ring times while their options appreciate... or while their app gains traction... or whatever. Then they are getting a GT3... missing the point that the gt3 legend was created by the 996 and 997.1 and 997.2 lineage which was based on the cup blah blah blah... the next big group of buyers does not seem to really care about any of that and even if they did, what choice do they have?
when Porsche pulls the manual trans that AP said was integral to the gt3 experience... you know the manual trans is dead within Porsche.
I am glad Porsche held out as long as they did...
buy a 4.0RS
it is the 911R of 2035
when Porsche pulls the manual trans that AP said was integral to the gt3 experience... you know the manual trans is dead within Porsche.
I am glad Porsche held out as long as they did...
buy a 4.0RS
it is the 911R of 2035
Ill be on the hunt for a .2 GT3RS soon enough.
02-18-2014, 06:52 PM
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20" wheels are also inferior for bump absorption as they require less sidewall size to maintain the same tire outer diameter.
Mark
02-18-2014, 08:48 PM
#42
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In one of the very first interviews with AP about the new 991 GT3, EVO Magazine asked that question point blank. AP's answer was clear: The Mezger is a low-production motor that costs too much to continue using for a low volume car such as the GT3. I have no reason to doubt that he was being truthful.
02-18-2014, 09:08 PM
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If you hold tire aspect ratio constant, a larger wheel yields a larger overall tire diameter. This allows the engineers to 1. maintain adequate ride (as you point out, as sidewall height approaches zero, so does compliance) 2. sidewall stiffness (whatever response characteristics they require for optimal handling) 3. maintain required aesthetics (because huge sidewalls are ugly and modern sports cars will not have them, even if F1 donated their tire tech).
02-18-2014, 09:09 PM
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02-18-2014, 09:19 PM
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In one of the very first interviews with AP about the new 991 GT3, EVO Magazine asked that question point blank. AP's answer was clear: The Mezger is a low-production motor that costs too much to continue using for a low volume car such as the GT3. I have no reason to doubt that he was being truthful.
Now that the Turbo has been DFI-powered since 2010, it doesn't make any financial sense to produce a single model (GT3) of a thousand or so annual production units, with an entirely unique drivetrain.
Porsche hasn't lost touch with it's roots - it's just economics.