is the upgrade from .2gt3 to .2rs worth or not?
09-23-2013, 01:51 PM
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Im wondering where all these opinions are of the RS being THAT much better than a regular NB GT3. In terms of the difference between the RS and the NB, Id say the 10-11 .2's are the narrowest margin of performance between all the years of GT3's.
Now I am not saying I wasn't dying for a RS. I love the car. It looks absolutely sick and has a race car stance. But, in terms of performance, the NB is right there with it. Only time you will notice the difference is tracks that compliment the gear ratios of the RS. (At Sebring, NB GT3 gear ratios are actually an advantage over the RS)
If you want the RS b/c of the rarity of it and will keep it in pristine condition, then id say buy it. But dont expect to be blown away with the performance after riding in your NB. Yes, the shorter gear ratios, the big wing, and wider stance are great, but are they 30-40k great? All depends what you want out of the car I guess....
Now I am not saying I wasn't dying for a RS. I love the car. It looks absolutely sick and has a race car stance. But, in terms of performance, the NB is right there with it. Only time you will notice the difference is tracks that compliment the gear ratios of the RS. (At Sebring, NB GT3 gear ratios are actually an advantage over the RS)
If you want the RS b/c of the rarity of it and will keep it in pristine condition, then id say buy it. But dont expect to be blown away with the performance after riding in your NB. Yes, the shorter gear ratios, the big wing, and wider stance are great, but are they 30-40k great? All depends what you want out of the car I guess....
09-23-2013, 02:15 PM
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Get what you want. If you are trying to justify the price forget it. When I was looking I wanted an RS for no logical reason so that's what I got. If you won't be happy with NB 3 you wont be happy. If you dont care I say get a NB and save some $$.
09-23-2013, 02:26 PM
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.2 RS'es are too few to flood the market and the next gen RS will certainly be a $200k+ car.
Fellas who buy RSes for the most part are more focused car enthusiasts. As such they will almost always prefer a manual.
Fellas who buy RSes for the most part are more focused car enthusiasts. As such they will almost always prefer a manual.
09-23-2013, 02:44 PM
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GT3 is a fine car.
idiots buy RS
plenty of idiots around.
if you have to "justified" you missed the boat.
its' not worth the money in terms of improvement.
add: you are looknig at one here.
but it sure is nice being an idiot in an RS.
idiots buy RS
plenty of idiots around.
if you have to "justified" you missed the boat.
its' not worth the money in terms of improvement.
add: you are looknig at one here.
but it sure is nice being an idiot in an RS.
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09-23-2013, 03:46 PM
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The grass is always greener. But I'd suggest it's a time in the market when there are many buyers and few sellers -- that's the time to resist competing to be a buyer. With the 991 GT3 just around the corner, the market will surely be cycling forward and more 997's will come onto the market, especially cars that aren't being tracked.
I plan on playing the waiting game for another year and see what happens.
realistically looking at 997.1 GT3 in something other than white, red or black.
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09-23-2013, 10:40 PM
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09-23-2013, 11:02 PM
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Screw it. If you have to pay that delta and you have low enough miles where u don't have to rebuild the bottom end. Just punch her out to 3.9 at sharky then that will force you to justify the other suspension bits you might do anyway if you go ape **** crazy with DE.
09-24-2013, 01:54 AM
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Worth it, yes.
Hi,
For me, yes, absolutely worth it.
I've driven several base 7.2 GT3's thinking I'd keep the 7.2 GT3 RS as a pristine specimen of the ultimate evolution of the old skool 911 (would love a 4.0, but it seemed TOO MUCH a built for collecting limited edition) I also considered a 996.2 base GT3. All were WAAAY softer than the 7.2 RS, factory spec to factory spec.
Sure, one could mod out a base and achieve similar feel and 98% of the performance, but there's something to be said for "factory spec." (I'm in the process of building a budget track car based on a 996 so I am not against mod'ing in principle, just that I appreciate "factory spec")
So for me, NOT A FAN BOY but respectful of how a particular (sub) model left the factory, the 7.2 RS is well worth the price delta if it's within reach.
If not, it's all moot, right?
"I think the biggest thing you notice right away is the single-mass/lighter fly wheel. The engine sounds rougher at idle, and you can hear rattling in the gearbox - and it revs much faster, almost instantly. If you find one with all the lighweight stuff - battery, headlights, PCCB, bucket seats, no lifter - the acceleration is very noticeably different, especially with the shorter gearing. It feels a lot faster around town. Front splitter scraps on everything, even the road. At the track the RS has quite a bit more aero and can run a bit wider tire 265f/335r (18"). When I got mine the delta was much less, and it was worth every penny - it just feels special, and much more of a race car and less of a street car. If you are looking for objective differences, its a lot of little things that amount to diminishing returns for $30K+ - but subjectively this is the closest thing you are going to get to a race car with a warranty from Porsche. And if you look at what they are doing with the 991, this is probably the last 911 with a very strong tie to Motorsport racing for a while. "
I absolutely second every one of the points made above. FELT Acceleration; grip; turn in; engine rev responsiveness; there is simply no comparison.
The GT3 is a great car; the GT3RS is that much greater.
Try them back to back...then decide.
JMVHO.
Cheers,
TM
For me, yes, absolutely worth it.
I've driven several base 7.2 GT3's thinking I'd keep the 7.2 GT3 RS as a pristine specimen of the ultimate evolution of the old skool 911 (would love a 4.0, but it seemed TOO MUCH a built for collecting limited edition) I also considered a 996.2 base GT3. All were WAAAY softer than the 7.2 RS, factory spec to factory spec.
Sure, one could mod out a base and achieve similar feel and 98% of the performance, but there's something to be said for "factory spec." (I'm in the process of building a budget track car based on a 996 so I am not against mod'ing in principle, just that I appreciate "factory spec")
So for me, NOT A FAN BOY but respectful of how a particular (sub) model left the factory, the 7.2 RS is well worth the price delta if it's within reach.
If not, it's all moot, right?
"I think the biggest thing you notice right away is the single-mass/lighter fly wheel. The engine sounds rougher at idle, and you can hear rattling in the gearbox - and it revs much faster, almost instantly. If you find one with all the lighweight stuff - battery, headlights, PCCB, bucket seats, no lifter - the acceleration is very noticeably different, especially with the shorter gearing. It feels a lot faster around town. Front splitter scraps on everything, even the road. At the track the RS has quite a bit more aero and can run a bit wider tire 265f/335r (18"). When I got mine the delta was much less, and it was worth every penny - it just feels special, and much more of a race car and less of a street car. If you are looking for objective differences, its a lot of little things that amount to diminishing returns for $30K+ - but subjectively this is the closest thing you are going to get to a race car with a warranty from Porsche. And if you look at what they are doing with the 991, this is probably the last 911 with a very strong tie to Motorsport racing for a while. "
I absolutely second every one of the points made above. FELT Acceleration; grip; turn in; engine rev responsiveness; there is simply no comparison.
The GT3 is a great car; the GT3RS is that much greater.
Try them back to back...then decide.
JMVHO.
Cheers,
TM
09-24-2013, 02:14 AM
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^^ I respectively disagree, but to each there own. I don't know where you think the NB is WAYYY softer than a RS. It just isnt true. Could go into details, but dont want to get off track.
To the OP. Like Mooty perfectly pointed out, the thought is already in your head. It will only grow like a fungus until you get the RS. Go buy it and drive the **** out of it....
To the OP. Like Mooty perfectly pointed out, the thought is already in your head. It will only grow like a fungus until you get the RS. Go buy it and drive the **** out of it....
09-24-2013, 05:48 PM
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GT3 vs RS
Hi,
Where? My *** and my hands.
:-)
I drove several examples of similar mileage 7.2 GT3's back to back with my 7.2 RS; the non-RS definitely consistently felt softer - turnin not as crisp or precise, felt " floatier"
all subjective I know - i didnt afix accelerameters or yaw sensors to any of the cars.
but before any tries to claim owner bias,
1 I WANTED to buy a base GT3
2. I had a salesman with me who WANTED to sell me one of the GT3s
we both agreed the base GT3s were softer. noticeably so.
As you wrote, to each their own.
OP - try both and use your own judgement and preferences.
be sure to test spec to spec; modded cars throw the whole thing off.
Cheers,
TM
Where? My *** and my hands.
:-)
I drove several examples of similar mileage 7.2 GT3's back to back with my 7.2 RS; the non-RS definitely consistently felt softer - turnin not as crisp or precise, felt " floatier"
all subjective I know - i didnt afix accelerameters or yaw sensors to any of the cars.
but before any tries to claim owner bias,
1 I WANTED to buy a base GT3
2. I had a salesman with me who WANTED to sell me one of the GT3s
we both agreed the base GT3s were softer. noticeably so.
As you wrote, to each their own.
OP - try both and use your own judgement and preferences.
be sure to test spec to spec; modded cars throw the whole thing off.
Cheers,
TM
09-24-2013, 06:43 PM
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Hi,
Where? My *** and my hands.
:-)
I drove several examples of similar mileage 7.2 GT3's back to back with my 7.2 RS; the non-RS definitely consistently felt softer - turnin not as crisp or precise, felt " floatier"
all subjective I know - i didnt afix accelerameters or yaw sensors to any of the cars.
but before any tries to claim owner bias,
1 I WANTED to buy a base GT3
2. I had a salesman with me who WANTED to sell me one of the GT3s
we both agreed the base GT3s were softer. noticeably so.
As you wrote, to each their own.
OP - try both and use your own judgement and preferences.
be sure to test spec to spec; modded cars throw the whole thing off.
Cheers,
TM
Where? My *** and my hands.
:-)
I drove several examples of similar mileage 7.2 GT3's back to back with my 7.2 RS; the non-RS definitely consistently felt softer - turnin not as crisp or precise, felt " floatier"
all subjective I know - i didnt afix accelerameters or yaw sensors to any of the cars.
but before any tries to claim owner bias,
1 I WANTED to buy a base GT3
2. I had a salesman with me who WANTED to sell me one of the GT3s
we both agreed the base GT3s were softer. noticeably so.
As you wrote, to each their own.
OP - try both and use your own judgement and preferences.
be sure to test spec to spec; modded cars throw the whole thing off.
Cheers,
TM
I would've test-driven it if there was any RS, but I haven't had any chance yet. wish I can find one for test drive.
09-24-2013, 10:30 PM
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Porsche 911 GT3 (996) August 99 21.3 s 8:03 min 153.5 kmh - / 0 kg
Porsche 911 GT3 (996) June 03 19.9 s 7:54 min 156.5 km / h -13 / 0 kg
Porsche 911 GT3 RS (996) March 04 18.2 s 7:47 min 158.8 kmh -19 / +25 Kg
Porsche 911 GT3 (997) July 06 18.6 s 7:48 min 158.5 km / h 0/0 kg
Porsche 911 GT3 RS (997) March 07 18.9 s 7:48 min 158.5 km / h -2 / +10 Kg
Porsche 911 GT3 (997) June 09 18.0 s 7:40 min 161.2 km / h +15 / +19 Kg
Porsche 911 GT3 RS (997) ???? 10 17.4 s 7:33 min XXX.X km / h +15 / +49 Kg
Porsche 911 GT3 (996) August 99 21.3 s 8:03 min 153.5 kmh - / 0 kg
Porsche 911 GT3 (996) June 03 19.9 s 7:54 min 156.5 km / h -13 / 0 kg
Porsche 911 GT3 RS (996) March 04 18.2 s 7:47 min 158.8 kmh -19 / +25 Kg
Porsche 911 GT3 (997) July 06 18.6 s 7:48 min 158.5 km / h 0/0 kg
Porsche 911 GT3 RS (997) March 07 18.9 s 7:48 min 158.5 km / h -2 / +10 Kg
Porsche 911 GT3 (997) June 09 18.0 s 7:40 min 161.2 km / h +15 / +19 Kg
Porsche 911 GT3 RS (997) ???? 10 17.4 s 7:33 min XXX.X km / h +15 / +49 Kg
09-24-2013, 11:30 PM
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Speaking as someone who has had the lust for the RS, but bought the NB (what the hell does that stand for anyways?), I can say that there is positively no performance difference now, other than the rear wing.
BUT:
I have RS gearing
4.0 LWFW
MCS suspension
Full track suspension
Akra Exhaust
etc...
Yeah, I should have started with an RS. If this is your direction, you are money ahead with an RS- there are some full track examples still available for less than 130. My mods BTW are more than that delta over a NB (there that is again!) GT3 unless you are looking at a sub 92K car.
Anyone have a .2 RS wing and decklid for cheap? Then I have it except for the light door panels and wider track.
BUT:
I have RS gearing
4.0 LWFW
MCS suspension
Full track suspension
Akra Exhaust
etc...
Yeah, I should have started with an RS. If this is your direction, you are money ahead with an RS- there are some full track examples still available for less than 130. My mods BTW are more than that delta over a NB (there that is again!) GT3 unless you are looking at a sub 92K car.
Anyone have a .2 RS wing and decklid for cheap? Then I have it except for the light door panels and wider track.