It's all about connecting with the car. Does it have enough soul of it's own to stir mine? Everyone's looking for a connection. If I want to go real fast, I'll jump on a plane. I'm also not against progress. I was so excited about the GTR that I was one of the first in line to purchase one. A year later, I sold it and moved on to a .2 GT3 RS. Driving the GTR was such a turn off. Paddle shfter, G Meters and 4WS in a GT3? Are you serious??? Put it in the Turbo and have all the tech fanboys line up for it. I like wooden coasters, cafe racer bikes, and cooking with fire I'm also a drummerl. My electric drum kit has it's place. Practice. Yes it can mimic 300 different drum sets, can raise and lower volume and reverb with a **** and sounds tuned to perfection. but I will NEVER bring it on stage. You just can't. Back to cars, I'm also not just talking about a manual either. A go kart doesn't have a shifter but it is so raw, the steering, the sheer crudeness of it makes it special. I guess I'm just old . sigh

 

Some Go karts do have shifters and are an absolute riot to drive.

~A

 

2 stroke ftw...

 

Until you have a new frame of reference, you often don't recognize the faults in what used to be the "best". Perfectly normal and reasonable. The new GT3 provides that new frame of reference.

 

I would agree with you on subjective terms like steering feel, but understeer is different. It either has it or it hasn't.

 

Perhaps. But until now, virtually every factory 911 has had some degree of low speed understeer, didn't it? With that as a frame of reference, the fact that the GT2 had less than before, and with no expectation that it could be eliminated completely, there was no reason to fault it.

RWS and the 991 chassis changed the equation with the new GT3 and made things possible that didn't seem possible before. The paridigm changed and with it perspective and expectations. Just my $.02.

 

I had one of these and a moto-x bike by age 5. Helmets optional in those days.
No helicopter parents in those days.

p.s. The Brazilians like Barichello and Moreno keen on upping the numbers of their F1 drivers have been advocating direct drive go karts over the old school shifters for years now. The debate rages there too.

 

That's all lovely and the monkey is good again no doubt, however, and without resorting to "philosophical" tricks, I can't but imagine how this review would have played out with the newer 991 evolved chassis , stripped from all the gadgetry, lighter, fitted with the 4.0 L engine , manual gearbox and a non-playstation s. wheel.

I tried but I just can't.

I guess we 'll have a near about experience and point of reference with the awesome 991 Cup car.

 

Sure, Harris is prone to hyperbole. In my mind that's not because he's a journalist. He just loves cars. What I would have liked to hear is how he compares this GT3 to the 4.0 he owned.

 

I'm an analyst. I like numbers. I just went from specs of what i like about the 4.0 and what i like about the 991 gt3. Green is good for me, red is bad for me, yellow means I'm neutral.

2 seconds slower at the ring but i get to interact... yeah... I wonder which one id take.

that said i have driven a 997.2 C2S pdk, through the mountain roads, and it was an EPIC ride
tossing it through the mountains. I do most of my driving in the mountains at about 1am vs track..
99% of the time i'm the only soul on the track at night


That said the new gt3 is fast no doubt about it..but at 150k, and with computers. I will still take my mp4-12c.

 

ill take one in white pls

 

Well said.
Not my future. Right now I'd get the TT instead.

I think many of us like the challenge and the grittiness of an older 911 with all the quirkiness of a 911 still there, yet with all the every day comforts needed.. For some that's a no power steering 964, for some a 993TT, for some a 997 4.0. I feel all the 911-ness in a 997RS, the noises, the nose lightness, the art of making the nose stick and be ready to catch the rear. Slow in, fast out and I wonder of some of that magic is now really fully gone.

Maybe the 997RS was already to soft for some and too easy to drive on the limit but you can still feel it, you can feel the nose get light, start to push in and out of the corner. The 991GT3 masks that. CH glossed over it by just calling it a philosophy. I call that what my *** and hands feel, I like having a car that is very fast, but will push the nose into the weeds or spin if you don't handle it well, deal with the deficiency. I hope some of that the feeling is still there, a manual is part of that, but i'm less worried about the PDK-S than the overall character..

The 991GT3 is fantastically beautiful and great at everything, no one will not like the car on and off the track. That I understand and that is fact VS philosophy. It may bring it too close to other cars? Maybe close does not matter, it still has more soul than other new stuff, fantastic car, the best, effortless speed, except the TT me thinks.
Effortlessness; My Mercedes should be effortless, Maybe a TTS as well, they need to get you there blindingly fast, right now with minimal disturbance; My GT3 not so much, I would love to see a test between the GT3 and the TTS.

Bought a daily driver today, and will sample the new Corvette. It also won't feel pure, but easier to swallow at $60k. A test to see if it is an alternative that is more fun. Should be just as fast as well.

I have to make the 4.0 last as long as possible until it becomes clear what the RS will become, but I'm not hopeful.

 

guys, here's his write-up.

no different in essence to what he said in the video, but punctuates the point more about the loss of manual tranny.

at the end of the day, sounds like the car is truly epic. i don't (can't) blame porsche for making the new GT3 what it is, because it is brilliant. i blame them for not giving us the OPTION of a manual.

carry on

http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests...?c=105&i=27907

 

f1 crazy is right: new is fast, but so is a mustang and corvette. nothing special.

reter is right: 991 is a great car. but if i wanted a car, i would buy an accord. now that's the best car ever made. if i wanted a TOY, i would consider a porsche. i hope 991RS will be a good toy. an utterly useless, painful, loud, low, eco polluting monster. otherwise, my garage will be devoid of p cars for the first time in decades.

 

8:33 and 12:10 enough said.

Looking forward to having a first drive myself...