secretcollector

What is a fair price for a set of four from a 2011 with 1600 non-track, easy miles on them?

mooty

are you talking about the rotors or calipers?
rotors are 1000/axle (f and rear same price) when new.
however, most ppl run turbo rear at $400/axle
so that's ur competition.

Izzone

I'm interested in them

secretcollector

Sorry, should have been clearer - I am talking about the "standard" red brakes that the car comes with, which I am contemplating converting to PCCB.

aero997c2s

right, but what mooty was asking you clarify is if you are trying to sell the rotors- brake disc, calipers- big red thing, or brake pads, or all of them.

secretcollector

I would sell everything not needed after a full conversion to factory PCCB.

TRAKCAR

Most go the other way and convert PCCB rotors to steel, so just a matter of time before someone swaps with you plus $$.

The only difference is the rotors, the calipers only difference is the color, so you could just buy 4 PCCB rotors and paint the calipers.

New PCCB rotors are $18K retail I believe, they are getting sold for about $10K off undriven new cars if you can find them.

secretcollector

Maybe a dumb question then (no shame here) but why do us street guys and collectors always pay $10,000 more when ordering new to have PCCB? I thought they are lighter, last longer and produce far less brake dust.

aero997c2s

The reasons you mentioned are exactly why street guys love them. I love them on track as well, but no one loves forking over 20k when it comes time for new rotors, hence the reason people switch to steel for cheaper running costs.

Steve Theodore

I'd say you're correct about PCCBs in general (from what I know about them) concerning a truly street driven car. That, and a lot of guys like to have a 'fully loaded' car, which includes the PCCB option too.

For me, I like the fact that they are light and don't dust as much. I completely dislike the fact that they are so wildly expensive to replace, but that's the trade-off.

TRAKCAR

^^ Yes, cost is the only trade off.

The feel better, lighter, don't overheat as much, last long etc. etc.
With some bad luck you can chip a rotor easily, or say that you lose pad material of one of the pads, you are out of $5K on that corner alone.

ShakeNBake

Cost and fragility. It's really really easy to chip a rotor taking wheels off. In a track environment where wheels go on and off potentially several times, it's another risk. You can be careful, but it's always a looming risk.

I thoughts the yellow calipers had those dern ceramic pucks to provide a heat transfer barrier between the pistons and the pads...the red calipers have them too?

mooty

they have all the benefits you stated above.
track guys would love to have pccb, if YOU woudl pay for my PCCB rotors. they do not last as long as 18000 would suggest.

for street use, they literally last forever.

mooty

yes

24Chromium

In my experience running them on the track, the pads wear _very_ quickly. Which makes sense if you think about it - the friction rings don't wear (in street use), so the pad wears faster. However, these carbon/ceramic friction rings are made via a lamination process. They are not a homogeneous material all the way through. I had both the fronts wear to the point that the outer veneer chipped off in spots. Once this happens, they wear very quickly.

Bottom line, they are not track-friendly for the DE & club racing crowd.