Too late to get in line for early 991 GT3s?
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Based on what has leaked out of Stuttgart and my experiences test driving a 991 CS and recently having a week with the 981 Boxster 6-sp, I have no interest in a 991 GT3 and hence no deposit down for me. With my 10, I had a deposit in 2008 without even knowing when the new car would come out. This time I am going to wait. First with the 991 GT3, is they are putting a 9A1 engine and 7-sp gearbox (your choice PDK or Manual) in them, but don't have the confidence to race them; why would they ever belong in a GT3? With the new cars, the steering is connected where you can't feel what the front tires are doing through the steering. The manual shifter is the same way, feeling like an electronic device that is not attached to the transaxle. This is exactly the opposite of how a GT3 should feel. With standard 20" wheels, those MPSC rear tires are going to run $900 ea (wholesale through Tirerack) and last the typical 4K miles. Finally they will be priced close to $150K. (GT3s are typically priced around what a loaded C2S is priced with aero and X51 options) Too rich for my blood.
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Based on what has leaked out of Stuttgart and my experiences test driving a 991 CS and recently having a week with the 981 Boxster 6-sp, I have no interest in a 991 GT3 and hence no deposit down for me. With my 10, I had a deposit in 2008 without even knowing when the new car would come out. This time I am going to wait. First with the 991 GT3, is they are putting a 9A1 engine and 7-sp gearbox (your choice PDK or Manual) in them, but don't have the confidence to race them; why would they ever belong in a GT3? With the new cars, the steering is connected where you can't feel what the front tires are doing through the steering. The manual shifter is the same way, feeling like an electronic device that is not attached to the transaxle. This is exactly the opposite of how a GT3 should feel. With standard 20" wheels, those MPSC rear tires are going to run $900 ea (wholesale through Tirerack) and last the typical 4K miles. Finally they will be priced close to $150K. (GT3s are typically priced around what a loaded C2S is priced with aero and X51 options) Too rich for my blood.
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Based on what has leaked out of Stuttgart and my experiences test driving a 991 CS and recently having a week with the 981 Boxster 6-sp, I have no interest in a 991 GT3 and hence no deposit down for me. With my 10, I had a deposit in 2008 without even knowing when the new car would come out. This time I am going to wait. First with the 991 GT3, is they are putting a 9A1 engine and 7-sp gearbox (your choice PDK or Manual) in them, but don't have the confidence to race them; why would they ever belong in a GT3? With the new cars, the steering is connected where you can't feel what the front tires are doing through the steering. The manual shifter is the same way, feeling like an electronic device that is not attached to the transaxle. This is exactly the opposite of how a GT3 should feel. With standard 20" wheels, those MPSC rear tires are going to run $900 ea (wholesale through Tirerack) and last the typical 4K miles. Finally they will be priced close to $150K. (GT3s are typically priced around what a loaded C2S is priced with aero and X51 options) Too rich for my blood.
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Based on what has leaked out of Stuttgart and my experiences test driving a 991 CS and recently having a week with the 981 Boxster 6-sp, I have no interest in a 991 GT3 and hence no deposit down for me. With my 10, I had a deposit in 2008 without even knowing when the new car would come out. This time I am going to wait. First with the 991 GT3, is they are putting a 9A1 engine and 7-sp gearbox (your choice PDK or Manual) in them, but don't have the confidence to race them; why would they ever belong in a GT3? With the new cars, the steering is connected where you can't feel what the front tires are doing through the steering. The manual shifter is the same way, feeling like an electronic device that is not attached to the transaxle. This is exactly the opposite of how a GT3 should feel. With standard 20" wheels, those MPSC rear tires are going to run $900 ea (wholesale through Tirerack) and last the typical 4K miles. Finally they will be priced close to $150K. (GT3s are typically priced around what a loaded C2S is priced with aero and X51 options) Too rich for my blood.
Fully agree. except that there will be no manual for the 991 GT3 according to my info. As you say, what has not been raced by Porsche - will also not be bought by me. If the new engine would be installed in the CUP and the RSR..and proven after 2 years to be winning 24h of Le Mans..would be a different story.
Besides, I think the title of this thread is quite stupid..of course you can still put a deposit for the car..its not even on the market !
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The question in the title is if it's too late to get in line for the EARLY 991 GT3s, not put a deposit at all, and the answer unfortunately is YES for local dealers. I contacted all dealers within a reasonable driving distance from me and two refused to take deposit and the others told me if I put the deposit now I will get a the car 6-12 months after the first deliveries, unless people drop out. It's never stupid to ask - only to assume.
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The question in the title is if it's too late to get in line for the EARLY 991 GT3s, not put a deposit at all, and the answer unfortunately is YES for local dealers. I contacted all dealers within a reasonable driving distance from me and two refused to take deposit and the others told me if I put the deposit now I will get a the car 6-12 months after the first deliveries, unless people drop out. It's never stupid to ask - only to assume.
Dont forget the GT3 was-is a niche market..each Porsche centre will maybe only sell a few of them..besides the car is not even officially announced..
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Look out of state. Our last 3 Porsches were all bought out-of-state - working with them was easier than working with 'local' dealers. Two were driven back, which was great fun. Work intervened with the third, so Exotic transported it.
They are all 50-state cars so there was no difficulty registering.
They are all 50-state cars so there was no difficulty registering.
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Agree on shopping out-of-state, especially the mega-dealers as they have healthy allocations.
When I shopped for my GT3 when it first released, none of the local dealers had one (long waiting list, no negotiation, mark-up, etc., etc.) I searched a little, found one better than I could spec-ed out, at an out-of-state mega-dealer. A few phone calls and FedEx paperworks, the car was delivered to my driveway within a day. I couldn't be happier, and the price was nice too.
And don't fall for the 'artifical scarcity' tactic used by Porsche (and all car companies.) It will ship a few in the first couple batches to create artifical scarcity, and then will have higher volume batches of cars soon-to-follow.
Porsche is going to make a bunch of money on each of these 9A1-based 991.1 GT3's, it sure will make enough to sell to everyone who wants to buy one, and it will laugh to the bank.
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When I shopped for my GT3 when it first released, none of the local dealers had one (long waiting list, no negotiation, mark-up, etc., etc.) I searched a little, found one better than I could spec-ed out, at an out-of-state mega-dealer. A few phone calls and FedEx paperworks, the car was delivered to my driveway within a day. I couldn't be happier, and the price was nice too.
And don't fall for the 'artifical scarcity' tactic used by Porsche (and all car companies.) It will ship a few in the first couple batches to create artifical scarcity, and then will have higher volume batches of cars soon-to-follow.
Porsche is going to make a bunch of money on each of these 9A1-based 991.1 GT3's, it sure will make enough to sell to everyone who wants to buy one, and it will laugh to the bank.
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There is another thread in this forum which posted info from Porsche insiders that the new GT3 engine will not be a warmed over 9A1, but rather a new DFI motorsport engine. I don't know if that's true, but the people saying for sure it will basically be a street 9A1 don't know whether what they are saying is true either. It's all speculation until we see the actual car, and it's a good bet that in about 30 days one speculation or the other is going to sound pretty stupid.
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Anyone knows how much more demanding to the engine when racing in Le Mans (and 24 Hours Nürburgring, etc., etc.) compares to in Daytona? I am curious as Porsche still uses the Mezger in the 991.1 GT3RSR/Cup.
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I think the 991 GT3 engine will be a 9A1 engine with:
a) lighter forged/titanium components (crankshaft, con rods etc); and
b) an actual dry sump, rather than an integrated one
I don't think it will be a whole new engine .. at least not yet.
a) lighter forged/titanium components (crankshaft, con rods etc); and
b) an actual dry sump, rather than an integrated one
I don't think it will be a whole new engine .. at least not yet.
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A follow up question - is it common to discuss the pricing (relative to MSRP) at the time of putting a deposit or later, at the time of actual ordering? Also, if discussing now, what would be a good target, relative to MSRP (e.g., at MSRP or 5% below)? Sorry if these are silly questions, but I never had to deal with artificially scarce car purchases before :-). Thanks!
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A follow up question - is it common to discuss the pricing (relative to MSRP) at the time of putting a deposit or later, at the time of actual ordering? Also, if discussing now, what would be a good target, relative to MSRP (e.g., at MSRP or 5% below)? Sorry if these are silly questions, but I never had to deal with artificially scarce car purchases before :-). Thanks!
I didn't discuss price at the time I placed my wait list deposit over a year ago. Too many unknowns and too far in the future. I don't think a discussion of discounts will go far until actual pricing is known.