possible DE by MVP at F1 track in Texas - COTA
11-01-2012, 07:17 PM
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C group with them as I recall is point by all track. So liberal as well.
11-01-2012, 07:19 PM
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11-01-2012, 07:19 PM
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I never said that to slow cars but I know what you mean. What I do with super slow drivers is that I pass them really fast before they even notice anything changed. It's kind of like getting novacaine shot at dental office ... Speed = less pain
11-01-2012, 07:55 PM
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11-01-2012, 08:40 PM
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We did Road America this summer with MVP during Mancation (I think there were more than 10 of us there). Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not remember ever getting held up the whole time we were there. As for our own group, the passing signals came by one of our guys trying to get out of the way of the faster cars. The only time I was on someones bumper - it was one of us! And I was doing it on purpose.
Not sure which Road America DE it was - either MVP or Nord Stern PCA (best run PCA DE ever) as we ran back to back DE events - but we were passing where ever we wanted whenever we wanted and everyone was respectful and no one was blocking and no one was crying to the stewards. Except this one time when we were 3 side coming out of t8 and I split 2 cars. Stujelly was one of them and did not anticipate that move and he kindly let me know afterwards (all good, we had dinner together that later that summer at Watkins Glen and laughed about it).
Not sure which Road America DE it was - either MVP or Nord Stern PCA (best run PCA DE ever) as we ran back to back DE events - but we were passing where ever we wanted whenever we wanted and everyone was respectful and no one was blocking and no one was crying to the stewards. Except this one time when we were 3 side coming out of t8 and I split 2 cars. Stujelly was one of them and did not anticipate that move and he kindly let me know afterwards (all good, we had dinner together that later that summer at Watkins Glen and laughed about it).
Agree Peter. Certain people are so tunnel vision on the track which makes them super dangerous
11-01-2012, 09:03 PM
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If the group does not see a driver as safe for a de environment they are asked to leave the group by Shuster
Some fantastic drivers.....better than most de cup, can't be in super solo......too sideways and considered high risk to the super solo group
11-01-2012, 09:05 PM
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it's a new track - i reckon caution should be applied as nobody really knows the track yet.
the organisers are under a lot of liability there. they are doing it correctly.
drivers in fast groups 'normally' move out of the way pretty efficiently anyway.
just get the organisers to create RENNLIST run-group like rad said, and run under silent by-laws.
if you get 20 or more participants locked-in, maybe that is viable.
the organisers are under a lot of liability there. they are doing it correctly.
drivers in fast groups 'normally' move out of the way pretty efficiently anyway.
just get the organisers to create RENNLIST run-group like rad said, and run under silent by-laws.
if you get 20 or more participants locked-in, maybe that is viable.
11-01-2012, 09:05 PM
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That's good to know but there is always the what ifs. If Mark decide to be a stickler with passing rules and black flag the whole session because there are too many cars passing every where then we are screwed. We can't always count on the organization to look the other way when they have spell out the passing rules which has to do with their DE insurance policy etc. Being able to sign up to a track event that does not require point by and passing every where for advance driver give you that much more assurance the fun factor will be huge and effort justified in hauling our cars all the way to Austin.
Agree Peter. Certain people are so tunnel vision on the track which makes them super dangerous
Agree Peter. Certain people are so tunnel vision on the track which makes them super dangerous
11-01-2012, 09:07 PM
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it's a new track - i reckon caution should be applied as nobody really knows the track yet.
the organisers are under a lot of liability there. they are doing it correctly.
drivers in fast groups 'normally' move out of the way pretty efficiently anyway.
just get the organisers to create RENNLIST run-group like rad said, and run under silent by-laws.
if you get 20 or more participants locked-in, maybe that is viable.
the organisers are under a lot of liability there. they are doing it correctly.
drivers in fast groups 'normally' move out of the way pretty efficiently anyway.
just get the organisers to create RENNLIST run-group like rad said, and run under silent by-laws.
if you get 20 or more participants locked-in, maybe that is viable.
11-01-2012, 09:11 PM
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randy - yes, of course....working on your own.
but the intricacies take much longer, and when a bit of 'DE CUP racing' is thrown into the mix...it's too dangerous.
look at reno - nobody knew where they were going.
but the intricacies take much longer, and when a bit of 'DE CUP racing' is thrown into the mix...it's too dangerous.
look at reno - nobody knew where they were going.
11-01-2012, 10:41 PM
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11-01-2012, 10:52 PM
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Just got word from Mark at MVP that advance group allow passing through SOME of the turns but point by is still mandatory. They have no idea at this time which turns they are going to allow passing since no one has driven the track other than playing it on playstation.
Anyone know if there are sound restriction at COTA?
As you can see from this video of COTA it has long straights with many elevation changes which will reward high HP cars ... don't bring your miata
Theoretically it's a great idea but no track organization will allow special groups with different rules on the track if it varies from their DE insurance policy. We can run the advance group together and leave the pit in a pack and do our own thing and that's as far as it goes 
until you get really bored after getting stuck for 5+ turns
MVP is not going to allow that unless rennlist DE drivers fill up the advance group and do our secrete hand shake etc.
Anyone know if there are sound restriction at COTA?
As you can see from this video of COTA it has long straights with many elevation changes which will reward high HP cars ... don't bring your miata
it's a new track - i reckon caution should be applied as nobody really knows the track yet.
the organisers are under a lot of liability there. they are doing it correctly.
drivers in fast groups 'normally' move out of the way pretty efficiently anyway.
just get the organisers to create RENNLIST run-group like rad said, and run under silent by-laws.
if you get 20 or more participants locked-in, maybe that is viable.
the organisers are under a lot of liability there. they are doing it correctly.
drivers in fast groups 'normally' move out of the way pretty efficiently anyway.
just get the organisers to create RENNLIST run-group like rad said, and run under silent by-laws.
if you get 20 or more participants locked-in, maybe that is viable.
MVP is not going to allow that unless rennlist DE drivers fill up the advance group and do our secrete hand shake etc.